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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    AG report: Black Missouri drivers 91% more likely to be stopped by police

    But the police don't know the drivers are black? So are we to assume black people are worse drivers than whites?
    We've been told here it has nothing to do with Police targeting black people.
    In addition, other studies often show that the disparity tends to vanish after sundown - when the police can't tell the race of the driver before pulling them over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriggerWarning View Post
    Cops are human and any human is going to get defensive if someone immediately gives attitude. But in cops case they are worried that said attitude is because the person is committing a crime or about to attack them.

    A cop won't get escalated into being nervous or fearful if you don't give them a reason.

    Here are some tips on how to have a pleasant reaction with a police officer when pulled over (assuming your not drunk, a criminal with a warrant, have drugs in plain site, or something else thats obviously going to get you arrested).

    1. Keep hands in plain site at all times and on the steering wheel. Maybe you think your being helpful by digging for paperwork as the cop approaches but the cop has to consider if your going for a weapon or hiding something like an open container or drugs. Just chill, the cop won't mind waiting an extra ten seconds for you to get your paperwork after he / she gets there.

    2. Relax. If you aren't a criminal just be calm and listen to why the cop stopped you. If you have an equipment violation or were in fact speeding, failed to signal, etc then just chill and accept that yeah you got stopped for a legit reason and remember to fix the problem so you don't get stopped next time. Realize that if its an equipment violation the cop will probably just give you a warning or a fix it ticket (fix the equipment violation and the ticket is dropped). You usually only get a ticket on equipment if you've been warned before for the same thing and aren't bothering to fix it.

    3. Don't be a dick. As I said you may not be able to talk yourself out of a ticket but you absolutely can talk yourself into one. Especially in cases where the cop is just fishing for a drunk. Most times the cop couldn't care less about minor violation itself, he / she is just trying to find the big fish - aka a drunk driver, someone with a warrant, etc. But you start with attitude in the first 30 seconds like "Shouldn't you be catching murderers or rapists", "you only stopped me because I'm (insert whatever picked on demographic you feel you belong to)", "I pay your salary", etc then you because of normal human nature made the cop more inclined to want to give you ticket.

    4. If you do get a ticket consider whether you in fact did do what the ticket was for. My last ticket (27 years ago now) was for going 67 in 55 mph zone. I actually thought I was going 69. Regardless I was knowingly speeding. No I wasn't happy having to pay the fine but its not the cop's fault, I chose to speed and I got caught. I'm an adult and I accepted the consequences and chose not to pout or be a dick about it to the state trooper.

    5. If you have a gun and are legally carrying it then as soon as the cop get to your window you WITH HANDS ON STEERING WHEEL say "Officer, just so you know I have a gun and this is where its at, what would you like me to do?" At no point to you remove your hands from the steering wheel unless directed by the cop. The cop will appreciate you telling him and appreciate you not then reaching for it even if in your mind all you were going to do was give it him because the cop is just going to hear "gun" and then see you grabbing for a gun which is bad.
    I'm sorry, are we a talking about cops or running into a grizzly bear in the woods?

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    There's mass protests in Sudan and China over military shooting citizens and extradition laws, yet all us free thinkers on YouTube are clutching our pearls over Steven Crowder whose rights have not been violated. His stupid videos are still up and even if they weren't YouTube is still a private company. No one is constitutionally owed space on their platform or ad money from them.


    Having said that, there's a very real problem over there because YouTube's crappy algorithm can't distinguish between hate speech and anti-hate speech. Or between history and political rants. They really need human being down there to do this work ( yes, I know it's a massive undertaking). That's what the discussion should revolve around, not the First Amendment .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriggerWarning View Post
    The best way to avoid the police is obey the law
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    There's mass protests in Sudan and China over military shooting citizens and extradition laws, yet all us free thinkers on YouTube are clutching our pearls over Steven Crowder whose rights have not been violated. His stupid videos are still up and even if they weren't YouTube is still a private company. No one is constitutionally owed space on their platform or ad money from them.


    Having said that, there's a very real problem over there because YouTube's crappy algorithm can't distinguish between hate speech and anti-hate speech. Or between history and political rants. They really need human being down there to do this work ( yes, I know it's a massive undertaking). That's what the discussion should revolve around, not the First Amendment .
    The thing about a lot of these types of protests is that the people involved know they have absolutely no chance of convincing their governments to change, it's mostly a demonstration meant for an international audience to try and get world powers to intervene on their behalf. The problem with that is, like we've seen in the Arab Spring, Ukraine, Venezuela, and many other places, the US and our allies don't really offer these protesters much in the way of concrete support. Even if they do manage to succeed we don't help them follow through in the aftermath, and in the ensuing chaos it's easy for authoritarian dictators to re-emerge, promising a return to stability and prosperity, such as we've seen in Egypt.

    And the sad truth of it all is that, despite our supposed mission to spread democracy around the world, the US and the rest of the first world have tried to keep the circle of liberal democracies small and made it difficult for aspiring nations to join that club. We rely on developing countries for cheap labor and natural resources, and few citizens of those countries would vote for that to continue forever, they want democracy precisely because they want to be on the other side of that equation, to enjoy the kinds of freedoms and lifestyles that we in the developed world do. But the living standards that we enjoy are only possible because of exploitation, and if everybody started using up resources at the rate that Americans do, the Earth would be fucked in pretty short order. So if the choice is to share with the rest of the world and see our own lives made somewhat worse, or to keep these countries under the thumb of dictators that will suppress their demands for a bigger slice of the pie, it's pretty easy to see which one of those we'd pick, democratic ideals be damned.
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    Some comic book fans behave like people who are willing to go on hunger strikes simply to protest that filet mignon is not on the menu today.

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    Chicken Parmigiana is basically the Big Mac of Italian food (which does not prevent me from loving it).

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    Man of Steel should not be hated because Superman killed.
    For crying out loud it's not the 1st damn time in Movie History that Superman killed.

    Also he had a negative reaction with screaming so it's freakin obvious he did not want to kill Zod.
    I enjoyed Man of Steel which made Superman a Marvel style character which makes him relatable.

    Undeniable he killed Nuclear Man in the embarrassment hot garbage movie Sueprman 4 The Quest For Peace, and he also killed the Evil Superman in Superman 3.

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    The best thing to happen to socialism in the US has been the Republican party - by the combo of calling everything they don't like socialism and going all in on crony capitalism they might have done more to make the younger generations think more highly of socialism than any actual supporters of the concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Rider TheHellfireDemon View Post
    and he also killed the Evil Superman in Superman 3.
    That was a part of himself. I don't think it really counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    The best thing to happen to socialism in the US has been the Republican party - by the combo of calling everything they don't like socialism and going all in on crony capitalism they might have done more to make the younger generations think more highly of socialism than any actual supporters of the concept.
    Well all the recent flip flopping by the GOP just reveals a pretty fundamental truth - that none of these -isms really matter and that people will always just invent whatever ideological justification for actions that conveniently serve their interests. The real problems with socialism have always lay in its implementation, places like the USSR and China were really better examples of authoritarian nationalism than doctrinaire Marxism, though communist movements do have a tendency to swerve in that direction. It's just a lot easier to convince people to sacrifice their lives for the honor of the motherland than for abstract principles like controlling the means of production. Even the famed Scandinavian system leans heavily on collective national identity to prevent people from trying to claim too big a slice of the pie, and you can see it fraying a bit in recent years as those countries have become more diverse and people don't have the same level of trust in each other as they used to, though nowhere near the level of that white replacement nonsense the alt right loves to push.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancj View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Rider TheHellfireDemon View Post
    ...and he also killed the Evil Superman in Superman 3.
    That was a part of himself. I don't think it really counts.
    I also took that to be more an internal psychological struggle than a physical one.

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    There ought to be a rule against comparing everything that happens to 1984, especially if you have never actually read the book which I imagine is the case for most of the idiots online who are constantly referencing it. Especially these days, when it's pretty clear that the greatest threat to our freedoms is not the suppression of ideas, but the white noise created by a deluge of nonsense that drowns out all of the meaningful talk in a sea of incoherence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    .Especially these days, when it's pretty clear that the greatest threat to our freedoms is not the suppression of ideas, but the white noise created by a deluge of nonsense that drowns out all of the meaningful talk in a sea of incoherence.
    That's Brave New World.

    Though there are elements of 1984 in society, but they're more about us self-monitoring. Simple fact is, if the data exists, it's a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Rider TheHellfireDemon View Post
    Man of Steel should not be hated because Superman killed.
    For crying out loud it's not the 1st damn time in Movie History that Superman killed.

    Also he had a negative reaction with screaming so it's freakin obvious he did not want to kill Zod.
    I enjoyed Man of Steel which made Superman a Marvel style character which makes him relatable.

    Undeniable he killed Nuclear Man in the embarrassment hot garbage movie Sueprman 4 The Quest For Peace, and he also killed the Evil Superman in Superman 3.
    I'm fairly sure it's the potential thousands of civilians he killed that gets the most people up in arms, or at least me. We know there's at least a few thanks to BvS, where Batman murders with guns & brands too.

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