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    Chicken Parmigiana is basically the Big Mac of Italian food (which does not prevent me from loving it).

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    Man of Steel should not be hated because Superman killed.
    For crying out loud it's not the 1st damn time in Movie History that Superman killed.

    Also he had a negative reaction with screaming so it's freakin obvious he did not want to kill Zod.
    I enjoyed Man of Steel which made Superman a Marvel style character which makes him relatable.

    Undeniable he killed Nuclear Man in the embarrassment hot garbage movie Sueprman 4 The Quest For Peace, and he also killed the Evil Superman in Superman 3.

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    The best thing to happen to socialism in the US has been the Republican party - by the combo of calling everything they don't like socialism and going all in on crony capitalism they might have done more to make the younger generations think more highly of socialism than any actual supporters of the concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Rider TheHellfireDemon View Post
    and he also killed the Evil Superman in Superman 3.
    That was a part of himself. I don't think it really counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    The best thing to happen to socialism in the US has been the Republican party - by the combo of calling everything they don't like socialism and going all in on crony capitalism they might have done more to make the younger generations think more highly of socialism than any actual supporters of the concept.
    Well all the recent flip flopping by the GOP just reveals a pretty fundamental truth - that none of these -isms really matter and that people will always just invent whatever ideological justification for actions that conveniently serve their interests. The real problems with socialism have always lay in its implementation, places like the USSR and China were really better examples of authoritarian nationalism than doctrinaire Marxism, though communist movements do have a tendency to swerve in that direction. It's just a lot easier to convince people to sacrifice their lives for the honor of the motherland than for abstract principles like controlling the means of production. Even the famed Scandinavian system leans heavily on collective national identity to prevent people from trying to claim too big a slice of the pie, and you can see it fraying a bit in recent years as those countries have become more diverse and people don't have the same level of trust in each other as they used to, though nowhere near the level of that white replacement nonsense the alt right loves to push.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancj View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Rider TheHellfireDemon View Post
    ...and he also killed the Evil Superman in Superman 3.
    That was a part of himself. I don't think it really counts.
    I also took that to be more an internal psychological struggle than a physical one.

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    There ought to be a rule against comparing everything that happens to 1984, especially if you have never actually read the book which I imagine is the case for most of the idiots online who are constantly referencing it. Especially these days, when it's pretty clear that the greatest threat to our freedoms is not the suppression of ideas, but the white noise created by a deluge of nonsense that drowns out all of the meaningful talk in a sea of incoherence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    .Especially these days, when it's pretty clear that the greatest threat to our freedoms is not the suppression of ideas, but the white noise created by a deluge of nonsense that drowns out all of the meaningful talk in a sea of incoherence.
    That's Brave New World.

    Though there are elements of 1984 in society, but they're more about us self-monitoring. Simple fact is, if the data exists, it's a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Rider TheHellfireDemon View Post
    Man of Steel should not be hated because Superman killed.
    For crying out loud it's not the 1st damn time in Movie History that Superman killed.

    Also he had a negative reaction with screaming so it's freakin obvious he did not want to kill Zod.
    I enjoyed Man of Steel which made Superman a Marvel style character which makes him relatable.

    Undeniable he killed Nuclear Man in the embarrassment hot garbage movie Sueprman 4 The Quest For Peace, and he also killed the Evil Superman in Superman 3.
    I'm fairly sure it's the potential thousands of civilians he killed that gets the most people up in arms, or at least me. We know there's at least a few thanks to BvS, where Batman murders with guns & brands too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    That's Brave New World.

    Though there are elements of 1984 in society, but they're more about us self-monitoring. Simple fact is, if the data exists, it's a problem.
    Arguably, the rise of social media and internet culture has made people a lot more cautious about opening up to others, since nobody wants to be the guy who was brought down by some random tweet from eight years ago or the subject of some fail meme. But I think that this is something that society will be able to work through over time, since more and more people are finally realizing that those carefully cultivated public identities that others put forth are almost always completely fake, and that showing your flaws and vulnerabilities isn't necessarily the worst thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    I also took that to be more an internal psychological struggle than a physical one.
    Yeah - I almost said that too, but it's a bit ambiguous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    Arguably, the rise of social media and internet culture has made people a lot more cautious about opening up to others, since nobody wants to be the guy who was brought down by some random tweet from eight years ago or the subject of some fail meme. But I think that this is something that society will be able to work through over time, since more and more people are finally realizing that those carefully cultivated public identities that others put forth are almost always completely fake, and that showing your flaws and vulnerabilities isn't necessarily the worst thing.
    Well, there is that.

    But I was thinking more about the data collection and cultivation. Everything Facebook and Google and Amazon and Netflix, etc has about you. It exists. Hackers exist. A President who doesn't care about due process and who will also gladly accept hacked information from foreign powers exists (and we're kidding ourselves if we think it's peculiar to just Trump).

    So, the mere existence of the data is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    Everything Facebook and Google and Amazon and Netflix, etc has about you..
    So, the mere existence of the data is the problem.
    Peoples cell phones can record their whole life, It knows who your contacts are, what you say to them, where you go and who you go with. What you look up on the internet, your credit card and banking information and what you spend your money on. It has a microphone, 2 cameras, GPS and the ability to broadcast. Data collection made easy.

    It does seem a bit Orwellian but its not the government but the corporations what are keeping tabs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Ronin View Post
    It does seem a bit Orwellian but its not the government but the corporations what are keeping tabs.
    The government will get them if it wants them.

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