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    All you'll have is a group of bodies ready to be sent to the middle east at the lightest excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buried Alien View Post
    I think you get a higher quality armed forces if all personnel voluntarily joined because they want to be part of it, rather than people who were dragged into it kicking and screaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buried Alien View Post
    I think you get a higher quality armed forces if all personnel voluntarily joined because they want to be part of it, rather than people who were dragged into it kicking and screaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    Both systems have merit. The quality of soldier is higher with a volunteer force, but the conscripted force does provide a shared experience that can help unite a nation. The question is which one is valued more highly?
    Quantity over quality is what they care more about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    Both systems have merit. The quality of soldier is higher with a volunteer force, but the conscripted force does provide a shared experience that can help unite a nation. The question is which one is valued more highly?
    It wont unite a nation, it just leads to dead teens. To be frank this isnt the 40s anymore. Everyone knows there is no such thing as a "just war" and the last 70 years of American conflicts have all been shady as fuck. Why should anyone want to get killed for a oligarchs bank balance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    It wont unite a nation, it just leads to dead teens. To be frank this isnt the 40s anymore. Everyone knows there is no such thing as a "just war" and the last 70 years of American conflicts have all been shady as fuck. Why should anyone want to get killed for a oligarchs bank balance?
    Pretty much this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    It wont unite a nation, it just leads to dead teens. To be frank this isnt the 40s anymore. Everyone knows there is no such thing as a "just war" and the last 70 years of American conflicts have all been shady as fuck. Why should anyone want to get killed for a oligarchs bank balance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    It wont unite a nation, it just leads to dead teens. To be frank this isnt the 40s anymore. Everyone knows there is no such thing as a "just war" and the last 70 years of American conflicts have all been shady as fuck. Why should anyone want to get killed for a oligarchs bank balance?
    Then what we've done is reduce the stake of most of the voters in preventing wars, and turned the weapons over to an increasingly small caste, who are becoming steadily more susceptible to a charismatic dictator. Just as this isn't the 1940s anymore, it isn't the 1780s either; local militias aren't going to be able to hold their own against an oppressive state as they could 250-odd years ago. Those who think it can't happen here had better hope they don't live long enough to see how wrong they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Then what we've done is reduce the stake of most of the voters in preventing wars, and turned the weapons over to an increasingly small caste, who are becoming steadily more susceptible to a charismatic dictator. Just as this isn't the 1940s anymore, it isn't the 1780s either; local militias aren't going to be able to hold their own against an oppressive state as they could 250-odd years ago. Those who think it can't happen here had better hope they don't live long enough to see how wrong they are.
    With all due respect, national service wouldnt somehow change the idea that military forces could be swayed by a political leader. All you've done is add more bodies to be recruited.

    If your so worried about it then follow George Washingtons route and go militia only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Then what we've done is reduce the stake of most of the voters in preventing wars, and turned the weapons over to an increasingly small caste, who are becoming steadily more susceptible to a charismatic dictator. Just as this isn't the 1940s anymore, it isn't the 1780s either; local militias aren't going to be able to hold their own against an oppressive state as they could 250-odd years ago. Those who think it can't happen here had better hope they don't live long enough to see how wrong they are.
    Well, any party that has the draft as part of their platform is a dead duck come November. Again, the only way it will rise again if there is another world war.
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    A party in power can always set aside the results of an election, claiming that it was illegitimate as some malevolent force hacked the vote. A leader not wanting to be pushed out of office could initiate a war. In times of war, they can bring in martial law.

    There are lots of governments in the world that are nominally democracies yet are functioning as one party dictatorships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    With all due respect, national service wouldnt somehow change the idea that military forces could be swayed by a political leader. All you've done is add more bodies to be recruited.

    If your so worried about it then follow George Washingtons route and go militia only.
    With commensurate respect, a more diverse organization is going to be more difficult to enthrall than one that is socially, regionally, and ethnically homogeneous. On reflection, I agree with you about swelling the ranks, but the US needs an Army that is more representative of its population than what it's got. Further, I still maintain that the US needs something that will promote interaction between regions, rather than the Balkanization that appears to be happening among us now. Kirby101 suggest civic service, and I agree that something like the New Deal Civil Conservation Corps might be worthwhile. I look at how divided we are, and I can't help suspecting that I may live to see another US Civil War.

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    Well, any party that has the draft as part of their platform is a dead duck come November. Again, the only way it will rise again if there is another world war.
    No disputing that one.

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    Your divided because of 3 things.

    1. Reconstruction was done badly, you made sure you De-Nazid germany but you didnt De-confederate the south properly. There is a distinct us and them feeling not helped by endless propaganda and bullshit.

    2. Your society is currently in the gilded age, where milions toil for corporate masters whom dont give a single shit about them, without even the basics like a universal healthcare system you've got a populace angry and ready to strike out

    3. There is a generational shift happening and the Boomers are fighting with everything they've got rather then hand over the reigns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    Your divided because of 3 things.

    1. Reconstruction was done badly, you made sure you De-Nazid germany but you didnt De-confederate the south properly. There is a distinct us and them feeling not helped by endless propaganda and bullshit.

    2. Your society is currently in the gilded age, where milions toil for corporate masters whom dont give a single shit about them, without even the basics like a universal healthcare system you've got a populace angry and ready to strike out

    3. There is a generational shift happening and the Boomers are fighting with everything they've got rather then hand over the reigns.
    You make really good points jetengine. You say "Your [sic] divided...", implying you are not from the US. That in no way invalidates your observation, but context matters. May I ask where you live?

    To be clear, I think you're on to something important.

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    I think jet is British.
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