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    I guess people of color who give police "attitude" deserve whatever they get.

    And God forbid they are holding something that might slightly resemble a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    I guess people of color who give police "attitude" deserve whatever they get.

    And God forbid they are holding something that might slightly resemble a gun.
    Cops are human and any human is going to get defensive if someone immediately gives attitude. But in cops case they are worried that said attitude is because the person is committing a crime or about to attack them.

    A cop won't get escalated into being nervous or fearful if you don't give them a reason.

    Here are some tips on how to have a pleasant reaction with a police officer when pulled over (assuming your not drunk, a criminal with a warrant, have drugs in plain site, or something else thats obviously going to get you arrested).

    1. Keep hands in plain site at all times and on the steering wheel. Maybe you think your being helpful by digging for paperwork as the cop approaches but the cop has to consider if your going for a weapon or hiding something like an open container or drugs. Just chill, the cop won't mind waiting an extra ten seconds for you to get your paperwork after he / she gets there.

    2. Relax. If you aren't a criminal just be calm and listen to why the cop stopped you. If you have an equipment violation or were in fact speeding, failed to signal, etc then just chill and accept that yeah you got stopped for a legit reason and remember to fix the problem so you don't get stopped next time. Realize that if its an equipment violation the cop will probably just give you a warning or a fix it ticket (fix the equipment violation and the ticket is dropped). You usually only get a ticket on equipment if you've been warned before for the same thing and aren't bothering to fix it.

    3. Don't be a dick. As I said you may not be able to talk yourself out of a ticket but you absolutely can talk yourself into one. Especially in cases where the cop is just fishing for a drunk. Most times the cop couldn't care less about minor violation itself, he / she is just trying to find the big fish - aka a drunk driver, someone with a warrant, etc. But you start with attitude in the first 30 seconds like "Shouldn't you be catching murderers or rapists", "you only stopped me because I'm (insert whatever picked on demographic you feel you belong to)", "I pay your salary", etc then you because of normal human nature made the cop more inclined to want to give you ticket.

    4. If you do get a ticket consider whether you in fact did do what the ticket was for. My last ticket (27 years ago now) was for going 67 in 55 mph zone. I actually thought I was going 69. Regardless I was knowingly speeding. No I wasn't happy having to pay the fine but its not the cop's fault, I chose to speed and I got caught. I'm an adult and I accepted the consequences and chose not to pout or be a dick about it to the state trooper.

    5. If you have a gun and are legally carrying it then as soon as the cop get to your window you WITH HANDS ON STEERING WHEEL say "Officer, just so you know I have a gun and this is where its at, what would you like me to do?" At no point to you remove your hands from the steering wheel unless directed by the cop. The cop will appreciate you telling him and appreciate you not then reaching for it even if in your mind all you were going to do was give it him because the cop is just going to hear "gun" and then see you grabbing for a gun which is bad.
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    No one is talking about car stops, why are you talking about traffic violations? I'm talking about people being afraid of the police. Afraid of seeing police in their neighborhoods, afraid of being tortured and left to die in a cell, so afraid that they'd rather let a crime happen than risk calling the police and making everything worse. Who gives a damn about steering wheels?

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    Actually, TriggerWarning was valid in bringing up traffic stops...statistics show that black and brown people get pulled over more than white people ( and not just by white cops). And nothing he said was bad advice. HOWEVER, my thing is many times these stops aren't legit. They decided that you're hair is too long or that you live in a bad neighborhood so the odds are that you're just naturally up to no good. They pretend that you didn't signal so they have an excuse to pull you over and search you. Depending on how you react they might decide to search your car. If you're clean, they let you go and give you a warning about the "traffic offense" they didn't care about it in the first place. They're also banking on the the fact that even though your rights may have been violated, you're probably not going to file a complaint unless you've been either physically or verbally abused.

    It's even worse if you're not driving. Again, the police will stop and search you for the hell of it and then invent a reason afterwards. And of course you're the problem if you question them. In my old neighborhood, I'd been stopped many times in the middle of the day minding my own business. I was given reasons like I looked like someone else and I looked "suspicious" because I had my hands in my pockets. One time I was put in handcuffs ( by a black cop) on my way to catch the bus to go to the library.

    Look, I'm not anti-police and I realize that they have a hard job. And I don't want to make it seem like I think the problem is that it's only white cops or that certain types of white people don't also get harassed. My point is that police harassment is a real thing, it's not as simple as if you've done nothing wrong you don't have to worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    Actually, TriggerWarning was valid in bringing up traffic stops...statistics show that black and brown people get pulled over more than white people ( and not just by white cops). And nothing he said was bad advice. HOWEVER, my thing is many times these stops aren't legit. They decided that you're hair is too long or that you live in a bad neighborhood so the odds are that you're just naturally up to no good. They pretend that you didn't signal so they have an excuse to pull you over and search you. Depending on how you react they might decide to search your car. If you're clean, they let you go and give you a warning about the "traffic offense" they didn't care about it in the first place. They're also banking on the the fact that even though your rights may have been violated, you're probably not going to file a complaint unless you've been either physically or verbally abused.

    It's even worse if you're not driving. Again, the police will stop and search you for the hell of it and then invent a reason afterwards. And of course you're the problem if you question them. In my old neighborhood, I'd been stopped many times in the middle of the day minding my own business. I was given reasons like I looked like someone else and I looked "suspicious" because I had my hands in my pockets. One time I was put in handcuffs ( by a black cop) on my way to catch the bus to go to the library.

    Look, I'm not anti-police and I realize that they have a hard job. And I don't want to make it seem like I think the problem is that it's only white cops or that certain types of white people don't also get harassed. My point is that police harassment is a real thing, it's not as simple as if you've done nothing wrong you don't have to worry.
    Police act differently in different areas. In a neighborhood that is high in crime they are more prone to be more aggressive. I don't know about your old neighborhood but in mine I had an interactions with the police at least once a month and have been cuffed for "my own safety" a few times. It wasn't until I moved and also talked to a few cops (that did not suspect me of anything) that that I realized that it had more to do with the climate of the location then them harassing me because of who I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    Actually, TriggerWarning was valid in bringing up traffic stops...statistics show that black and brown people get pulled over more than white people ( and not just by white cops). And nothing he said was bad advice. HOWEVER, my thing is many times these stops aren't legit. They decided that you're hair is too long or that you live in a bad neighborhood so the odds are that you're just naturally up to no good. They pretend that you didn't signal so they have an excuse to pull you over and search you. Depending on how you react they might decide to search your car. If you're clean, they let you go and give you a warning about the "traffic offense" they didn't care about it in the first place. They're also banking on the the fact that even though your rights may have been violated, you're probably not going to file a complaint unless you've been either physically or verbally abused.

    It's even worse if you're not driving. Again, the police will stop and search you for the hell of it and then invent a reason afterwards. And of course you're the problem if you question them. In my old neighborhood, I'd been stopped many times in the middle of the day minding my own business. I was given reasons like I looked like someone else and I looked "suspicious" because I had my hands in my pockets. One time I was put in handcuffs ( by a black cop) on my way to catch the bus to go to the library.

    Look, I'm not anti-police and I realize that they have a hard job. And I don't want to make it seem like I think the problem is that it's only white cops or that certain types of white people don't also get harassed. My point is that police harassment is a real thing, it's not as simple as if you've done nothing wrong you don't have to worry.
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    AG report: Black Missouri drivers 91% more likely to be stopped by police

    But the police don't know the drivers are black? So are we to assume black people are worse drivers than whites?
    We've been told here it has nothing to do with Police targeting black people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    AG report: Black Missouri drivers 91% more likely to be stopped by police

    But the police don't know the drivers are black? So are we to assume black people are worse drivers than whites?
    We've been told here it has nothing to do with Police targeting black people.
    In addition, other studies often show that the disparity tends to vanish after sundown - when the police can't tell the race of the driver before pulling them over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriggerWarning View Post
    Cops are human and any human is going to get defensive if someone immediately gives attitude. But in cops case they are worried that said attitude is because the person is committing a crime or about to attack them.

    A cop won't get escalated into being nervous or fearful if you don't give them a reason.

    Here are some tips on how to have a pleasant reaction with a police officer when pulled over (assuming your not drunk, a criminal with a warrant, have drugs in plain site, or something else thats obviously going to get you arrested).

    1. Keep hands in plain site at all times and on the steering wheel. Maybe you think your being helpful by digging for paperwork as the cop approaches but the cop has to consider if your going for a weapon or hiding something like an open container or drugs. Just chill, the cop won't mind waiting an extra ten seconds for you to get your paperwork after he / she gets there.

    2. Relax. If you aren't a criminal just be calm and listen to why the cop stopped you. If you have an equipment violation or were in fact speeding, failed to signal, etc then just chill and accept that yeah you got stopped for a legit reason and remember to fix the problem so you don't get stopped next time. Realize that if its an equipment violation the cop will probably just give you a warning or a fix it ticket (fix the equipment violation and the ticket is dropped). You usually only get a ticket on equipment if you've been warned before for the same thing and aren't bothering to fix it.

    3. Don't be a dick. As I said you may not be able to talk yourself out of a ticket but you absolutely can talk yourself into one. Especially in cases where the cop is just fishing for a drunk. Most times the cop couldn't care less about minor violation itself, he / she is just trying to find the big fish - aka a drunk driver, someone with a warrant, etc. But you start with attitude in the first 30 seconds like "Shouldn't you be catching murderers or rapists", "you only stopped me because I'm (insert whatever picked on demographic you feel you belong to)", "I pay your salary", etc then you because of normal human nature made the cop more inclined to want to give you ticket.

    4. If you do get a ticket consider whether you in fact did do what the ticket was for. My last ticket (27 years ago now) was for going 67 in 55 mph zone. I actually thought I was going 69. Regardless I was knowingly speeding. No I wasn't happy having to pay the fine but its not the cop's fault, I chose to speed and I got caught. I'm an adult and I accepted the consequences and chose not to pout or be a dick about it to the state trooper.

    5. If you have a gun and are legally carrying it then as soon as the cop get to your window you WITH HANDS ON STEERING WHEEL say "Officer, just so you know I have a gun and this is where its at, what would you like me to do?" At no point to you remove your hands from the steering wheel unless directed by the cop. The cop will appreciate you telling him and appreciate you not then reaching for it even if in your mind all you were going to do was give it him because the cop is just going to hear "gun" and then see you grabbing for a gun which is bad.
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    There's mass protests in Sudan and China over military shooting citizens and extradition laws, yet all us free thinkers on YouTube are clutching our pearls over Steven Crowder whose rights have not been violated. His stupid videos are still up and even if they weren't YouTube is still a private company. No one is constitutionally owed space on their platform or ad money from them.


    Having said that, there's a very real problem over there because YouTube's crappy algorithm can't distinguish between hate speech and anti-hate speech. Or between history and political rants. They really need human being down there to do this work ( yes, I know it's a massive undertaking). That's what the discussion should revolve around, not the First Amendment .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriggerWarning View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    There's mass protests in Sudan and China over military shooting citizens and extradition laws, yet all us free thinkers on YouTube are clutching our pearls over Steven Crowder whose rights have not been violated. His stupid videos are still up and even if they weren't YouTube is still a private company. No one is constitutionally owed space on their platform or ad money from them.


    Having said that, there's a very real problem over there because YouTube's crappy algorithm can't distinguish between hate speech and anti-hate speech. Or between history and political rants. They really need human being down there to do this work ( yes, I know it's a massive undertaking). That's what the discussion should revolve around, not the First Amendment .
    The thing about a lot of these types of protests is that the people involved know they have absolutely no chance of convincing their governments to change, it's mostly a demonstration meant for an international audience to try and get world powers to intervene on their behalf. The problem with that is, like we've seen in the Arab Spring, Ukraine, Venezuela, and many other places, the US and our allies don't really offer these protesters much in the way of concrete support. Even if they do manage to succeed we don't help them follow through in the aftermath, and in the ensuing chaos it's easy for authoritarian dictators to re-emerge, promising a return to stability and prosperity, such as we've seen in Egypt.

    And the sad truth of it all is that, despite our supposed mission to spread democracy around the world, the US and the rest of the first world have tried to keep the circle of liberal democracies small and made it difficult for aspiring nations to join that club. We rely on developing countries for cheap labor and natural resources, and few citizens of those countries would vote for that to continue forever, they want democracy precisely because they want to be on the other side of that equation, to enjoy the kinds of freedoms and lifestyles that we in the developed world do. But the living standards that we enjoy are only possible because of exploitation, and if everybody started using up resources at the rate that Americans do, the Earth would be fucked in pretty short order. So if the choice is to share with the rest of the world and see our own lives made somewhat worse, or to keep these countries under the thumb of dictators that will suppress their demands for a bigger slice of the pie, it's pretty easy to see which one of those we'd pick, democratic ideals be damned.
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