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    Marvel comics today are a hot, bloated mess that only has a passing similarity to the Silver and Bronze Age books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Marvel comics today are a hot, bloated mess that only has a passing similarity to the Silver and Bronze Age books.
    I take issue with that statement. It isn't controversial at all, and therefore does not belong in this thread.

    It may even qualify as objective fact.
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    Eh. At least Marvel's head honchos don't have to come out and say "We will fix our continuity".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Marvel comics today are a hot, bloated mess that only has a passing similarity to the Silver and Bronze Age books.
    I don't see how that's controversial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Jammer View Post
    Eh. At least Marvel's head honchos don't have to come out and say "We will fix our continuity".
    This is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Jammer View Post
    Eh. At least Marvel's head honchos don't have to come out and say "We will fix our continuity".
    They would have to acknowledge such a thing as continuity first, wouldn't they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    They would have to acknowledge such a thing as continuity first, wouldn't they?
    The lack of any true universal reboots kind of speaks for itself.

    Sure, things have been retconned/changed/forgotten...that's almost expected in a medium over 40 years old, and in a medium where characters are expected to remain relevant. And "Marvel Time" isn't the most eloquent solution to the timeline of things, but it avoids hard reboots that seem to cause even more problems when "Ooops, let's go back to what we had before" becomes the desire.

    What glaring issues do you suppose are problematic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Jammer View Post
    I mean, your scenario (people not talking about those things) is just as likely to happen as it is for people to just accept that everyone is different and has different opinions, and just mosey on about their days.
    Incidents of employees taking offense at comments regarding the four subjects I listed would be less likely if the subjects were not discussed. Whether or not it's likely to happen doesn't apply.

    So you are making what people say "your business" by judging them for what they talk about. Classy.
    I'm not judging them on the subjects they discuss, rather their ability to converse in a work environment without touching on the listed subjects. If the subjects don't relate to the job I'd think they'd be easily avoided. That is, unless someone just doesn't care whether they're offensive to their coworkers.

    True. Some people are just easily offended.
    I agree. Some people are also callously offensive. In a work environment who has more of a right to expect their feelings are respected?
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    I'm actually enjoying Marvel Comics more now that I have in almost 15 years. I'm no where close to reading as much as I used to, but I'm enjoying everything I'm reading far more. Captain America, Immortal Hulk, Amazing Spider-Man, and Daredevil are genuinely good. And I'm surprised by how much I'm enjoying both Conan the Barbarian and Savage Sword of Conan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Jammer View Post
    The lack of any true universal reboots kind of speaks for itself.

    Sure, things have been retconned/changed/forgotten...that's almost expected in a medium over 40 years old, and in a medium where characters are expected to remain relevant. And "Marvel Time" isn't the most eloquent solution to the timeline of things, but it avoids hard reboots that seem to cause even more problems when "Ooops, let's go back to what we had before" becomes the desire.

    What glaring issues do you suppose are problematic?
    I'd argue that the numerous Marvel retcons and revamps serve the same purpose. Just because Marvel changes continuity in the individual titles rather than doing a company wide event, I don't think is proof that they're handling their shared universe better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChadH View Post
    Incidents of employees taking offense at comments regarding the four subjects I listed would be less likely if the subjects were not discussed. Whether or not it's likely to happen doesn't apply.
    And incidents of offense would be even closer to 0 if they didn't talk at all!

    Quote Originally Posted by ChadH View Post
    I'm not judging them on the subjects they discuss, rather their ability to converse in a work environment without touching on the listed subjects. If the subjects don't relate to the job I'd think they'd be easily avoided. That is, unless someone just doesn't care whether they're offensive to their coworkers.
    Wow, so you want people to only talk about their job while at their job?

    I do not want to live in your world.

    And if merely hearing a conversation about religion offends some third party, jeez...IDK...grow up?

    (I think you should have said "If people didn't preach their politics/religion at work", but that's just me)
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    Reboots themselves are fine. Dc just lacks the foresight to plam them correctly and editors refuse to veto stuff if its not in the plan. The only example of them attempting to veto stuff was N52 but because they hadnt planned it well (foresight) no one knew what the hell was going on.

    Lets not mention that some of the reboots were hastily decided on. Zero Hour was literally "Lets anniversary COIE lol" and Flashpoint was "This is just a filler arc so we can move"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    Reboots themselves are fine. Dc just lacks the foresight to plam them correctly and editors refuse to veto stuff if its not in the plan. The only example of them attempting to veto stuff was N52 but because they hadnt planned it well (foresight) no one knew what the hell was going on.

    Lets not mention that some of the reboots were hastily decided on. Zero Hour was literally "Lets anniversary COIE lol" and Flashpoint was "This is just a filler arc so we can move"
    Except they didn't reboot Batman or.GL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Except they didn't reboot Batman or.GL.
    Which was even worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    Reboots themselves are fine. Dc just lacks the foresight to plam them correctly and editors refuse to veto stuff if its not in the plan. The only example of them attempting to veto stuff was N52 but because they hadnt planned it well (foresight) no one knew what the hell was going on.

    Lets not mention that some of the reboots were hastily decided on. Zero Hour was literally "Lets anniversary COIE lol" and Flashpoint was "This is just a filler arc so we can move"
    "Flashpoint" was supposed to just be a random Flash story but at the 11th hour, they decided to make it into a continuity revamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Jammer View Post
    And incidents of offense would be even closer to 0 if they didn't talk at all!
    True, however that isn't what I suggested.

    Wow, so you want people to only talk about their job while at their job?
    Again, that isn't what I suggested.
    Is it unreasonable for an employer to expect that while their employees are at work being paid for their time that their time be used productively?
    Another thing to consider is that when an employee is distracted their productivity suffers. They make mistakes which can create more work for the others, so one upset empolyee can make the entire group less productive.

    I do not want to live in your world
    It's not my world, it's THE world and we all have to endure it. Some people make that more difficult by not caring whether their offensive.

    And if merely hearing a conversation about religion offends some third party, jeez...IDK...grow up?

    (I think you should have said "If people didn't preach their politics/religion at work", but that's just me)
    Being able to think about what you're saying out loud and considering others feelings are characteristics one would associate with being a grown-up. The opposite is normally associated with children.
    Preaching and talking are close enough to the same.

    I understand where you're coming from and to an extent, I don't disagree, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to behave differently when they're at their job than they would otherwise.
    Most people would diapprove of someone swearing out loud in a church during services or using graphic references in a Kindergarden class. Is it wrong to expect the same level of self control at your job?
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