Page 229 of 249 FirstFirst ... 129179219225226227228229230231232233239 ... LastLast
Results 3,421 to 3,435 of 3722
  1. #3421
    Ceiling Belkar stabs you GozertheGozarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    864

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragged Maw View Post
    I think that genetically tailoring your own children will solve more problems than they create (less genetically inherited diseases or associated risk factors; better psychological health; etc.)

    Better than playing “russian roulette” with you and your partner’s chromosomes.
    Supporting eugenics is definitely conroversial.
    "I rhyme with tyre - And cause pollution - I think you'll find - It's the best solution: What Am I?"

    "And that's the essential problem with 'Planetary' right there. When Elijah Snow says, 'The world is a strange place'... he gets Dracula, Doc Savage and Godzilla... When we say it, we get The Captain Fire-Cock Rock 'n' Roll Spectacular."
    ~ Pól Rua

  2. #3422
    Mighty Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    1,109

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by GozertheGozarian View Post
    Supporting eugenics is definitely conroversial.
    That’s because the first iteration of it (as far as public awareness is concerned) was total bunk crudely based almost exclusively on race peddled by white supremacists. Nowadays, scientists have mapped the human genome and helped diminish the bullshit idea that different ethnicities are fundamentally different down to genetic structure. So I say it’s getting nearer to the time when a stigma around gene manipulation will be done away with. Similar case with nuclear power.
    Last edited by Ragged Maw; 07-14-2020 at 01:07 PM.

  3. #3423
    Boisterously Confused
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    6,601

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragged Maw View Post
    I think that genetically tailoring your own children will solve more problems than they create (less genetically inherited diseases or associated risk factors; better psychological health; etc.)

    Better than playing “russian roulette” with you and your partner’s chromosomes.
    The Late Midshipman Peter Preston would like a word with you.

    Seriously though, genetic tailoring has the potential to solve more problems than it creates if access to the techniques is widely distributed among the population. I'm willing to bet tall money that it won't be.

    If there's one thing that's pretty universal in this world, it's the desire of the wealthy and powerful to insure their offspring don't have to cope with pesky level playing fields against the great unwashed masses. Those elites will want to horde such an advance among the smallest number of themselves possible, for as long as possible, and a lot of harm could result. If there's a small uber elite immune to disease, they might conclude that investing in medical and pharmaceutical research is an unnecessary investment of resources that could generate better returns elsewhere. These supers might decide that lesser beings really shouldn't have a say in their destiny because, without dispute, the elites' judgement and intelligence are superior; best keep all the decisions to themselves.

    So, unless genetic tailoring is so cheap, and so widely available that anybody can do it, there are a lot of scenarios in which it goes sideways

  4. #3424
    Astonishing Member mathew101281's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    2,654

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    The Late Midshipman Peter Preston would like a word with you.

    Seriously though, genetic tailoring has the potential to solve more problems than it creates if access to the techniques is widely distributed among the population. I'm willing to bet tall money that it won't be.

    If there's one thing that's pretty universal in this world, it's the desire of the wealthy and powerful to insure their offspring don't have to cope with pesky level playing fields against the great unwashed masses. Those elites will want to horde such an advance among the smallest number of themselves possible, for as long as possible, and a lot of harm could result. If there's a small uber elite immune to disease, they might conclude that investing in medical and pharmaceutical research is an unnecessary investment of resources that could generate better returns elsewhere. These supers might decide that lesser beings really shouldn't have a say in their destiny because, without dispute, the elites' judgement and intelligence are superior; best keep all the decisions to themselves.

    So, unless genetic tailoring is so cheap, and so widely available that anybody can do it, there are a lot of scenarios in which it goes sideways
    Thats the catch. It's very unlikely it would be evenly distributed around the world. The rich in wealthy nations would more than likely have more easy access then poor people in poor countries for example. It's like Mass Communism, the theory sounds interesting and positive until you try accomplish it and take into consideration human nature.

  5. #3425
    Mighty Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    1,109

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    The Late Midshipman Peter Preston would like a word with you.

    Seriously though, genetic tailoring has the potential to solve more problems than it creates if access to the techniques is widely distributed among the population. I'm willing to bet tall money that it won't be.

    If there's one thing that's pretty universal in this world, it's the desire of the wealthy and powerful to insure their offspring don't have to cope with pesky level playing fields against the great unwashed masses. Those elites will want to horde such an advance among the smallest number of themselves possible, for as long as possible, and a lot of harm could result. If there's a small uber elite immune to disease, they might conclude that investing in medical and pharmaceutical research is an unnecessary investment of resources that could generate better returns elsewhere. These supers might decide that lesser beings really shouldn't have a say in their destiny because, without dispute, the elites' judgement and intelligence are superior; best keep all the decisions to themselves.

    So, unless genetic tailoring is so cheap, and so widely available that anybody can do it, there are a lot of scenarios in which it goes sideways
    Barely have anything to add to this. Well put. Yeah, there isn’t much room for error on this one. Litigation to ensure its cautious use and wide availability for people of all income brackets may become a crucial battle in our three branches and other world government bodies.
    Last edited by Ragged Maw; 07-14-2020 at 02:00 PM.

  6. #3426
    Ceiling Belkar stabs you GozertheGozarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    864

    Default

    If it ever did become viable, the screams of the evangelicals and anti-GMO crowd would be pleasant.
    "I rhyme with tyre - And cause pollution - I think you'll find - It's the best solution: What Am I?"

    "And that's the essential problem with 'Planetary' right there. When Elijah Snow says, 'The world is a strange place'... he gets Dracula, Doc Savage and Godzilla... When we say it, we get The Captain Fire-Cock Rock 'n' Roll Spectacular."
    ~ Pól Rua

  7. #3427
    Mighty Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    1,109

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by GozertheGozarian View Post
    If it ever did become viable, the screams of the evangelicals and anti-GMO crowd would be pleasant.
    If this is the proverbial madman from the mountainside that proclaims the death of “God” in their eyes, then I consider it tough love. I won’t miss their psychotic fervor over religious beliefs, and hell, I doubt even they’d miss it either once the initial shock and existential angst starts to subside
    Last edited by Ragged Maw; 07-14-2020 at 02:30 PM.

  8. #3428
    Boisterously Confused
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    6,601

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragged Maw View Post
    If this is the proverbial madman from the mountainside that proclaims the death of “God” in their eyes, then I consider it tough love. I won’t miss their psychotic fervor over religious beliefs, and hell, I doubt even they’d miss it either once the initial shock and existential angst starts to subside
    Dude. Hope you're staggeringly rich. Otherwise, your Schadenfreude against the zealots is going to be your sole comfort in the pit of the inferior along with the rest of us.

  9. #3429
    Amazing Member Adam Allen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Location
    Minneapolis, MN
    Posts
    360

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Dude. Hope you're staggeringly rich. Otherwise, your Schadenfreude against the zealots is going to be your sole comfort in the pit of the inferior along with the rest of us.
    I really don't think you need to be some kind of religious nutter to see how saying people can pick out the undesirable traits they want to avoid in their kids is just a whole can of worms to open up. Maybe you get a pass on saying you want to rule out a tendency towards addiction ... but beyond that, you're gonna get push back even about mental health issues. We can all agree that having a severe mental illness makes one's life much more challenging ... do we all want to sign off on saying nobody with a mental illness should ever be born, period? What about more common things, like a tendency towards depression? People like that shouldn't exist, either? People on the autism spectrum, let's make sure there's never anybody like that again? Obesity, even? It causes all kinds of health problems over the course of a whole life, so why not? "If someone would be fat, it would be better if they were never born at all"?

    I mean, I don't doubt some would be okay with saying that, but a whole lot of people would have a problem with it, and not just because it's against some ethereal holy plan. I mean, what about intelligence? You might think that one would be a gimme, as far as saying nobody's gonna fight you on wanting your kid to be smart ... but you know, I honestly don't know my own IQ, but I have to tell you, I would probably be offended if it turned out I'm just below the cutoff of what people would consider viably smart enough. Not only that, but even if someone like me would be allowed to be born, I also have empathy enough to have a problem if people said someone just a bit lower in the range of IQ should be considered literally too stupid to live. I mean, I am being flippant here, but honestly I imagine developmentally disabled people would be about the first group some would say it should be okay to eliminate from among your potential offspring, and I guarantee you lots of folks, including myself, would not really be on board with saying that.

    At the end of the day, I think you'd be okay with saying if your child would be born with some kind of rare condition that would make them unlikely to live long at all, and unable to enjoy any aspect of life before they die, then sure, avoid creating a life that would be nothing but suffering. But anything beyond that ... it's really kind of, you're not perfect, but none of us is, so welcome to the human race.
    Be kind to me, or treat me mean
    I'll make the most of it, I'm an extraordinary machine

  10. #3430
    Spectacular Member Kuro no Shinigami's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Posts
    153

    Default

    There was a discussion about Donald Trump's father raising a monster in the other thread.

    Do you think that a monster is born a monster or becomes a monster?

    Some children who grew in an abusive household were Adolf Hitler and Richard Allen Davis. Other children including Sir Patrick Stewart and Bill Clinton who grew up in an abusive household with a father whose parenting methods are similar to Fred Trump didn't become monsters

  11. #3431
    Astonishing Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    2,956

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuro no Shinigami View Post
    There was a discussion about Donald Trump's father raising a monster in the other thread.

    Do you think that a monster is born a monster or becomes a monster?

    Some children who grew in an abusive household were Adolf Hitler and Richard Allen Davis. Other children including Sir Patrick Stewart and Bill Clinton who grew up in an abusive household with a father whose parenting methods are similar to Fred Trump didn't become monsters
    Monsters *grow* one way or another - nature can and does play a part with the “base” material, nurture provides a kind of “cultivating” and “grooming” effect, but eventually the “output” of both has to use their own agency to walk the final steps towards being a monster, particularly large scale ones.
    Franchise Wars Podcast and YouTube Host.
    TITANS pilot Recap, Reaction, and Review video! https://youtu.be/l1tKBTUtiyM
    The Force Awakens vs The Last Jedi https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...=2&i=408109126
    Teen Titans (03) vs Teen Titans Go! https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...=2&i=400482734

  12. #3432
    Spectacular Member Kuro no Shinigami's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Posts
    153

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by godisawesome View Post
    Monsters *grow* one way or another - nature can and does play a part with the “base” material, nurture provides a kind of “cultivating” and “grooming” effect, but eventually the “output” of both has to use their own agency to walk the final steps towards being a monster, particularly large scale ones.
    I agree. Nature versus nurture does play a role in one's upbringing.

    For example, Donald Trump could have become his own man but ended up being a carbon copy of his father. Maybe it is in his genes. Maybe Fred nurtured him too much. The greedy desire to inherit his daddy's vast fortune might have been the final step towards being a monster.

    Donald's brother Fred Junior tried to become his own man rather than follow in his daddy's footsteps. but he failed at that. He drank himself to death afterwards.

  13. #3433
    FF purist/snob CaptCleghorn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    7,317

    Default

    Having raised a grand total of one child, I can speak to his development. The nature vs. nurture argument is one that IMHO has no defined boundary. Sure there are aspects that are obviously genetic, but even with being born a certain way life will give a person experiences to flavor their choices. I do know that kids learn from examples and even with my raising my son, I see where he's picked up both good and not-so-good qualities.

    Looking at examples like the Trumps or the Kennedys, we can see where similar socioeconomic circumstances provide very different. Politics are very heavily flavored by family. But in the words of my son, "I grew up thinking of myself as a liberal. Then I went to college in Cambridge (MA) and realized I was more conservative than I thought."

    As for Trump specifically, I believe that children need to realize that they must face consequences of their misdeeds. Sure, every kid gets away with some stuff, but if there's a miraculous cover-up and bailing out when misdeeds are discovered, no conscience is gained.

  14. #3434
    Ultimate Member Gray Lensman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    11,837

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuro no Shinigami View Post
    There was a discussion about Donald Trump's father raising a monster in the other thread.

    Do you think that a monster is born a monster or becomes a monster?

    Some children who grew in an abusive household were Adolf Hitler and Richard Allen Davis. Other children including Sir Patrick Stewart and Bill Clinton who grew up in an abusive household with a father whose parenting methods are similar to Fred Trump didn't become monsters
    It depends on the person. Some people just become monsters no matter how well they were raised. Others become decent people despite having all the cards stacked against them. But personally I think nurture plays a role for most people - possibly the biggest role, but there are always exceptions and we shouldn't discount that.
    "Theory: The Phoenix doesn't corrupt the characters, it corrupts the authors." Gambit, King of Thieves

  15. #3435
    Ultimate Member Kirby101's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    12,034

    Default

    Hard to say. We know the Trumps were a horrible family going back to his great grandfather. We also know Fred Trump was a terrible father. In the genes or in the culture? A combination of both probably. But Donald seems to have been a sociopath since he was a child, so I would say he was born with a lot of his tendencies.
    There came a time when the Old Gods died! The Brave died with the Cunning! The Noble perished locked in battle with unleashed Evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient era was passing in fiery holocaust!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •