Controversial Opinions (For Everything Other Than DC Comics)

[godisawesome]

Here’s one:

Kylo Ren (pre-Ben Solo) from the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy can’t be seriously talked about as a sympathetic or complex character in The Last Jedi without exposing one of the following on the part of the speaker: an extremely shallow and somewhat ignorant or forgetful view of the films, a large double standard that all the other characters are denied that can range from innocently biased to loaded with some systemic racism and sexism, a good deal of head canon unsupported by the movies, or a vested interest for other reason on the part of the speaker (monetary or indirect - like, you enjoy the rest of the movie so much that you don’t want to deal with possibly fatal problems in Rey’s story caused by Kylo.)

The character only got a pass because Driver is handsome, shows his true talent in other works (as in, Kylo is a limiting role because of what’s in the script), or because the audience has some bias in favor of him.

If you don’t realize that every single Stormtrooper is more sympathetic than he is, than you weren’t watching TFA and TLJ.

[Starter Set]

The character only got a pass because Driver is handsome

Is he now? Handsome really?

[CSTowle]

He doesn't look like a conventional Hollywood leading man, but I know more than a few ladies who think he's a bit of all right.

[Starter Set]

Come on now, they wouldn't have looked at him twice if they had seen him in the street before he was famous.

Charm, charism, that's an another matter. But handsome? Get out lol.

[Gray Lensman]

Come on now, they wouldn't have looked at him twice if they had seen him in the street before he was famous.

Charm, charism, that's an another matter. But handsome? Get out lol.

Handsome or beautiful is subjective - and the effect of charm can slide that subjectivity even further.

[godisawesome]

Handsome or beautiful is subjective - and the effect of charm can slide that subjectivity even further.

Yeah; to be honest, it’s a bit like the Benedict Cumberbatch thing - the actor skills and charisma end up complimenting a unique look becomes attractive. A female counterpart would like Jenny Slate.

With Driver as Kylo, it’s blatantly clear that a lot of the character’s fans see him as a cute and moddy “woobie” with fantastic hair, and prioritize that over, y’know, the character not just being a mass murdering Neo-Nazi Patricide and mind-rapist leading an invading army that uses slave soldiers he treats as cannon fodder tools to commit atrocities with... but also that his inner turmoil and struggle is more about feeling bad for himself at feeling guilty, and that his projected “woobie”-ness is self-centered and used (accidentally or not) to bring in sympathetic people so he can murder or use them for his own ends.

I honestly think that TFA understood what he was and used him well as a loathsome monster there.

But I think that TLJ’s plot only really works for people who either are taking a very relaxed, MST3K approach and therefore weren’t really deep-diving the film, which I actually don’t think is a *bad* approach, since usually no one caters to those guys beyond the basic “Space explosions go boom!” or “I think I can tell a good story, if you’d like to hear it?” approach, and since those guys usually aren’t the ones who’d pretend it’s high art or worth defending...

...or their people who looked at a loathsome ****-stain of a character, but deciding they want to focus on him over the main girl or the black guy, and of the construct headcanon and double standards that value Driver’s killer lip-wobble game to mean something it doesn’t, and that their reasons for doing so are often poor or just flat out bad.

[Jim Kelly]

Apparently there's a large contingent that find Adam Driver sexy. I don't get it. If I was a maître d', I'd seat him in the ugly section of the restaurant.

[DrNewGod]

Apparently there's a large contingent that find Adam Driver sexy. I don't get it. If I was a maître d', I'd seat him in the ugly section of the restaurant.

Ditto, but he's done pretty well for himself. More power to him.

[CaptCleghorn]

The BEST Bond theme. The lyrics poetically describe the feelings of having a double O license to kill and the aspects that are Bond and the gambling theme of the movie are applied powerfully.

And I say this being well aware of Sir Paul and Dame Shirley.

[godisawesome]

The BEST Bond theme. The lyrics poetically describe the feelings of having a double O license to kill and the aspects that are Bond and the gambling theme of the movie are applied powerfully.

And I say this being well aware of Sir Paul and Dame Shirley.

I’m all onboard with this. The fact it’s also in some ways a non-traditional Bond theme in subject matter, attitude, style, and visual accompaniment also helps it tremendously. You don’t need ambiguously mutated naked women Writing around every ten seconds to make a good opening video for Bond.

...and on a related note, Quantum of Solace is a better movie than Spectre. Neither is a great Bind film by any means, but Quantum is a hell of a lot more creepy and competent seeming than Spectre, and Dominic Greene is a fun throwback to the more mundane but loathsome villains that appeared sporadically between the traditional hams, while New!Bloefeld is a waste of Waltz so far.

[CaptCleghorn]

I’m all onboard with this. The fact it’s also in some ways a non-traditional Bond theme in subject matter, attitude, style, and visual accompaniment also helps it tremendously. You don’t need ambiguously mutated naked women Writing around every ten seconds to make a good opening video for Bond.

The Casino Royale (2006) credit sequence gets a good mention here https://www.thrillist.com/culture/ev...equence-ranked and when I have the time, I must once again watch the collected sequences through a search on youtube. But to be fair, I am very accepting of writhing ambiguously mutated naked women. Yes, I am often a pig. I also was commenting on the song alone, but am certainly open in discussing the visual sequences as well.

...and on a related note, Quantum of Solace is a better movie than Spectre. Neither is a great Bind film by any means, but Quantum is a hell of a lot more creepy and competent seeming than Spectre, and Dominic Greene is a fun throwback to the more mundane but loathsome villains that appeared sporadically between the traditional hams, while New!Bloefeld is a waste of Waltz so far.

Hell, Blofeld offering Roger Moore a delicatessen was a better Blofeld than nuBlofeld.

I will also state another controversial opinion:

Bond discussion > Star Wars discussion.

Change my mind!

[TriggerWarning]

Since we are on to Bond, then my controversial opinion is that Skyfall is the dumbest and worst Bond movie ever made. How it is the most financially successful is a mystery to me since its sooo bad and insulting to ones intelligence. First off the nonsense villain plot. Mid movie the villains entire escape revolves around the trains blocking off his pursuers. Yet the timing of his escape is completely out of his control and it depended on his device being activated in the lab by one of the good guys. He doesn't know when that will happen so he can't make a plan that depends on a set time event like the trains. Then the ending. Bond had one mission - protect M and keep her alive and he utterly failed. He went against orders and protocol and his decisions got her killed. And for that he got an award and promoted? WTF????????? How do you keep your job let alone get an award and get promoted for screwing up as badly as one could possibly screw up while violating orders?

[MyriVerse]

Apparently there's a large contingent that find Adam Driver sexy. I don't get it. If I was a maître d', I'd seat him in the ugly section of the restaurant.

Don't get it either.

Also don't think he's a good actor, and found him almost unwatchable in Star Wars.

[Mace Dolex]

Apparently there's a large contingent that find Adam Driver sexy. I don't get it. If I was a maître d', I'd seat him in the ugly section of the restaurant.

He's not good looking in the classical sense of a Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt but yeah some women tend to go for unconventional looks, I've never seen him in the show Girls but I guess there some nudity on that show I guess women liked what they saw who knows.

The same for Tom Hardy not so much his looks he's a decent looking guy but he seems to mumble everytime he's on screen I have to use subtitles to watch a movie with him in it.

[Starter Set]

Tackles shouldn't be allowed in football. (soccer)

Needlessly dangerous and as my old coach used to say : a defender stays on his feet.