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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    How so exactly?
    Call of Duty and the games like it along with even Rambo and GI Joe as Adam Allen mention can be viewed as REAL.

    Even Mafia 1-3 can since we had those mobsters running around in real life and a guy like Clay could be real.

    GTA or early Saints Row are not. In the real world CJ and all those guys would be hunted down. Especially the guys from the last game more than Vice or San Andreas.

    Call of Duty glamorizes that and in reality-you can sign up for that and be paid to do it. And in some cases get awards for it.

    Also a kid can meet someone (military wise) in something like Call of Duty versus GTA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Allen View Post
    Nah, the true existential dread of zombies isn't because you get complacent and they sneak up on you. I mean, even if you literally fall asleep, you'd probably hear one or two zombies moaning and shuffling along as they try to fumble at your door or window to get at you. And their reflexes are slow, so you really don't even need much of a weapon, so long as you're willing to just go out and bash their head in.

    The scary part of zombies is the inevitability. You can handle one or two or four, but there are potentially going to be billions of them, and how do you handle that? And figure out your answer as quickly as you can, because while you're thinking about it, the number of zombies out there is increasing exponentially.

    I mean, the couple of gross-out zombies with open wounds or whatever that try to get you at the start of the story might make for a good jump-scare or two, but the true threat of a zombie plague is that eventually, you will face oceans of them, and what can you possibly do to defeat that?

    Which hey, tastes vary, so anyone is still free to consider that "boring", entertainment-wise. But, if we are talking about potentially having the scary monster-type thing exist in the same world you actually live in? Yeah, I'll take Godzilla over zombies. He's really a lot easier to get away from, for most of the population.
    For all the supposed fear associated with zombies, most of the villains in zombie fiction tend to be normal humans. When you look at it that way, zombies are superfluous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    For all the supposed fear associated with zombies, most of the villains in zombie fiction tend to be normal humans. When you look at it that way, zombies are superfluous.
    Hm. Not superfluous. They are the environmental conditions without with the central drama could not take place (at least, not in the manner presented). Otherwise Civilization would shut down all contesting parties.

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    The best way to revolutionize society via technology is to make it largely applicable to the military and war first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    For all the supposed fear associated with zombies, most of the villains in zombie fiction tend to be normal humans. When you look at it that way, zombies are superfluous.
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    Hm. Not superfluous. They are the environmental conditions without with the central drama could not take place (at least, not in the manner presented). Otherwise Civilization would shut down all contesting parties.
    Right, point taken that other humans ultimately end up being the real antagonists in nearly any zombie type movie, but I think that you still need the zombies to create a Lord of the Flies type thing ... basically, the zombie apocalypse is needed to peel aware the veneer of civilization, to reveal the dark heart of humanity underneath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    Call of Duty and the games like it along with even Rambo and GI Joe as Adam Allen mention can be viewed as REAL.

    Even Mafia 1-3 can since we had those mobsters running around in real life and a guy like Clay could be real.

    GTA or early Saints Row are not. In the real world CJ and all those guys would be hunted down. Especially the guys from the last game more than Vice or San Andreas.

    Call of Duty glamorizes that and in reality-you can sign up for that and be paid to do it. And in some cases get awards for it.

    Also a kid can meet someone (military wise) in something like Call of Duty versus GTA.
    Yeah, that's just it ... I have to admit, that game (Cold War) looks like a lot of fun ... but, war is not actually a game, not fun in real life, and having lived through the end of the Cold War, we weren't even really the good guys in that. I mean, there were none.

    But, I mean ... I could see a kid growing up playing stuff like that, then thinking it was a good idea to take an assault rifle to a protest to "defend some property"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Allen View Post
    Right, point taken that other humans ultimately end up being the real antagonists in nearly any zombie type movie, but I think that you still need the zombies to create a Lord of the Flies type thing ... basically, the zombie apocalypse is needed to peel aware the veneer of civilization, to reveal the dark heart of humanity underneath.
    Yup. So the Zombies are no more superfluous than the black bird was in The Maltese Falcon

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    I have no trouble at all believing that The Beatles were more popular than Jesus at one point.

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    I hate it when people ask certain programs to be more "mature". 9 times out of 10, they just don't want to be embarrassed to be watching a "kid's show".

    That's why most people in my Elementary School class talked about the Simpsons and Family Guy rather than actual kid's cartoons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRay View Post
    I have no trouble at all believing that The Beatles were more popular than Jesus at one point.
    They were, especially in England. And that was John's larger point. That religion at the time wasn't as important to kids as popular culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    They were, especially in England. And that was John's larger point. That religion at the time wasn't as important to kids as popular culture.
    Among the kids they were more popular, but I'm pretty sure everybody else didn't feel that way.
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    Liking light-hearted and "optimistic" works over bleaker and darker ones doesn't make you morally superior to other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Liking light-hearted and "optimistic" works over bleaker and darker ones doesn't make you morally superior to other people.
    And liking darker and bleaker works doesn't make you more thoughtful or serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Liking light-hearted and "optimistic" works over bleaker and darker ones doesn't make you morally superior to other people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    And liking darker and bleaker works doesn't make you more thoughtful or serious.
    And following both of those... tragedy is not inherently more dramatic. It’d doesn’t create better quality stories simply by being sad or depressing.

    But too many people think it does.
    Like action, adventure, rogues, and outlaws? Like anti-heroes, femme fatales, mysteries and thrillers?

    I wrote a book with them. Outlaw’s Shadow: A Sherwood Noir. Robin Hood’s evil counterpart, Guy of Gisbourne, is the main character. Feel free to give it a look: https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asi...E2PKBNJFH76GQP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Liking light-hearted and "optimistic" works over bleaker and darker ones doesn't make you morally superior to other people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    And liking darker and bleaker works doesn't make you more thoughtful or serious.
    It's almost like there's room for both comedy, and tragedy!

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