Was Batman Beyond shaped by The Mask of Zorro?

[DrNewGod]

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About a year or so before the debut of the Batman Beyond cartoon, Amblin Entertainment released the film The Mask of Zorro. Both feature a badly-aging hero passing his disguise on to an (originally in BB's case) unrelated young successor from the wrong side of the tracks, and a sometimes contentious relationship between the mentor and the protege.

Has anyone heard anything that suggests Batman Beyond was inspired by The Mask of Zorro? Given that Douglas Fairbanks' film The Mark of Zorro is cited as one of the influences on Batman's creation and early development, it would make for an interesting symmetry.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

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About a year or so before the debut of the Batman Beyond cartoon, Amblin Entertainment released the film The Mask of Zorro. Both feature a badly-aging hero passing his disguise on to an (originally in BB's case) unrelated young successor from the wrong side of the tracks, and a sometimes contentious relationship between the mentor and the protege.

Has anyone heard anything that suggests Batman Beyond was inspired by The Mask of Zorro? Given that Douglas Fairbanks' film The Mark of Zorro is cited as one of the influences on Batman's creation and early development, it would make for an interesting symmetry.

That's an interesting theory you presented, one that does have merit. While I've never heard anything to back up your supposition, considering how long it probably takes to create an animated series, going from brainstorming sessions, to storyboards, to producing the animation to the finished show appearing on a TV screen, Batman Beyond might well have been in the pipeline at Warner Brothers before The Mask of Zorro. But that's just a dumb guess on my part.

[Güicho]

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About a year or so before the debut of the Batman Beyond cartoon, Amblin Entertainment released the film The Mask of Zorro. Both feature a badly-aging hero passing his disguise on to an (originally in BB's case) unrelated young successor from the wrong side of the tracks, and a sometimes contentious relationship between the mentor and the protege.

Has anyone heard anything that suggests Batman Beyond was inspired by The Mask of Zorro? Given that Douglas Fairbanks' film The Mark of Zorro is cited as one of the influences on Batman's creation and early development, it would make for an interesting symmetry.

I would say yes!



As well, I think Batman Beyond also directly owes just as much to Phantom 2040 which had many similar themes and visual style.
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Although as you point out, there were plenty of parallels between the legacy aspect in Mask of Zorro, and Batman Beyond which followed almost on it's heels.

Zorro has been a legacy character passing down the name to later gens. before the Phantom. The second Fairbanks Zorro movie 1925 was the Son of Zorro (father and son even fight side by side)
There were several Republic Zorro serials which also featured legacy characters, from his direct descendants to those inspired by him, taking up the name/mantle.

Around the same time the Phantom appeared in comics in the movie serials was Zorro Rides Again's James (Santiago) Vega a "modern" Zorro , the great grandson of Diego, fighting mobsters and racketeers, on city roof tops, swinging from buildings, chasing automobiles, dodging tommy gun bullets, using revolvers, and racing to his black sedan bellow, driven by his loyal manservant Renaldo (descendant of Bernardo). ...(all before Batman.

First appearance 1937


First appearance 1939


Often the older films are cited, but Batman first appearance seems to follow on the heels of the modern Zorro.

Mask of Zorro had as pointed out the unique aspect of having the aged, cane wielding, retired Diego, training the young upstart.
Other origin parallels are the main antagonist both to Diego and Wayne (Powers/Montero) is obsessed with owning/taking over everything the other has.
Meanwhile their right-hand-man (Mr. Fixx/Capt Love) is responsible for killing the new young upstart heroes family member ( Alejandro's brother/Terry's father) they both seek justice, and it's the older retired hero who at first contentiously, and then with their help eventually guides them to pursuing justice, giving them the means and their blessing to carry on the mantle.

These are pretty common tropes though.

I think the recent Ant-Man takes another page from Mask of Zorro, again we see the young upstart (Rudd/Banderas) hero steal(take for a test run) the suit, but also in that the older retiring hero (Douglass/Hopkins), has a daughter (Lilly/ZetaJones) who he is trying to protect, who is also in danger of being swayed towards the main nemesis side (Cross/Montero) who has "taken" everything from him.
He (Douglass/Hopkins) recruits the new young upstart, who is also hunted by the law and looking for a reason to go on the right path.
He eventually gives his blessing not only for the young new hero to carry on the mantle/legacy, but to his daughter as well, who he feared he had lost (but she now knows the truth of why he had to protect her), in the end he gains them both! And his legacy lives on through both of them into the "future".

[Carabas]

Let's not forget that Batman has always been very much shaped by Zorro, ever since his first appearance.

[Aioros22]

Good post Guicho. The design style and show premise seems more inspired by Phantom 2040 yes. That was a hell of a show.

[Güicho]

Let's not forget that Batman has always been very much shaped by Zorro, ever since his first appearance.

You are right, although I don't think anyone forgot that, it's pretty well known that amongst others the Shadow(whose story Finger & Kane cribed) , Holmes, the Phantom, The Bat (film), Zorro, etc, and much of what was popular at the time helped as you say shape Batman, or rather it goes without saying at this point.
That Zorro has actually been worked into Batman's origin as an influence has become canon , speaks the most to that.



What might be less known (or contended) is how much of a legacy character, inspiring future Zorros, that Zorro was from almost the start.
Often when presented with the idea of a modern or future Zorro, i've seen people balk - "now they are just copying the Phantom, or Batman Beyond" some who think the Zorro legacy aspect only began with (Hopkins/Banderas) in Mask of Zorro.
Yet as pointed out this goes way back to the second Fairbanks Zorro movie 1925 the Son of Zorro, well before the Phantom...
(1925)

And was carried into the Zorro Republic serials which had future - (then modern) legacy Zorros, again even one already working in the then modern City, along with all the other pulp heroes, well before Batman existed. .

(1937)

I think this aspect is a little less known, it may not just have been the classic Zorro who influenced Batman, but also the pulpy/noir "modern" american Zorro of the time- , James (Santiago) Vega, railroad tycoon, has all the classic Zorro tropes, , secret lair, manservant, etc. but actually has the modern black car, and operates for a stint in the city, swinging from buildings, and fighting mobsters with modern weapons, etc.

[Aioros22]

Got to say that as a total Phantom mark and longtime Zorro reader I can`t say I`ve crossed paths with that aspect of the earlier Fox mythology. The legacy aspect is so engrained in the core Phantom that If someone asked me I would swear that`s where the fad started.

This is beautiful info I knew nothing about. Wow.

[HsssH]

This thread was very informative. Yeah, I have nothing else to add.

[Güicho]

Got to say that as a total Phantom mark and longtime Zorro reader I can`t say I`ve crossed paths with that aspect of the earlier Fox mythology. The legacy aspect is so engrained in the core Phantom that If someone asked me I would swear that`s where the fad started.

This is beautiful info I knew nothing about. Wow.

Not to discount the Phantom legacy aspect, as you say it is ingrained into the core of the character and origin. And is what he's become known for.
Zorro still not so much, it is there though.

As far as the Mask of Zorro and Batman Beyond legacy parallels, I think the OP is right to point them out; and as Carabas suggests, how Zorro helped shape Batman has become pretty much a given.
The "new" Superhero movie out that year before BatmanBeyond came out was Mask of Zorro.

The Young Acolyte about to get his ass kicked
Enter the Old Master.
1998
When the pupil is ready, the Master will appear...
1999
Both built on similar story beats:
The defeated young acolyte has no means to exact vengeance for his lost family member...
Lives Recklessly, He's about to get his ass kicked...
Enter the old "master", (who sees himself in the same) to train and guide him...
... and the novices' whole world about to open up.

To see some really fun parallels, someone did a Batman Beyond - Mask of Zorro mashup, although they play pretty loose with the character analogues, the parallels are highlighted pretty well.
Awesome fun vid....