I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word " opinion"
In your opinion "areas" mean "galaxies" despite your own admission that the manga never once refers to them as galaxies , plural
I'm merely following rumbles rules. You badly want "areas" to mean " galaxies" because you like the franchise . I wonder if you would have said the same for a marvel or Dc character claiming things like that
So why do marvel and DC guidebooks not count?Akira partakes in the Daizenshuu. He is involved in interviews and he creates the drawings, such as the maps and the like. It's the Daizenshuu and Akira is always referenced in the book itself. The site I posted just has the translations of the contents.
Again, merely following rumbles rules
You are certainly putting a lot of effort to differentiate between the one and the other to make the feat valid . I wonder ..has the author made half as much effort ? Anything from DBS or the manga noting the difference like that ?Why do people insinuating that we are talking about the friggin punch? We are talking about the beam clash.
It really doesn't save you from 90% of your self contradictory mess . It merely re-enforces the fact that the feat is largely unquantifiable . Aside from that it doesn't really do away with the problems of a universe with a physical barrier or the Galaxy issue eitherAnyway, thanks for replying to the Dorkster. Pretty much said everything I was going to say so now I don't have to worry about making a long ass reply :P.
I missed the part where super has anything to do with things based on guidebooks ( namely the siZe of the Galaxy ) , allowing you to ignore a mod rulingSaid ruling was made long before Super was a thing.
We disregard guidebooks and supplementary material for western comics. Should an exception be made for Manga?That was in reference to character feats, not how their universe looks and acts. What, because you think the DB universe has 4 small galaxies, that means that any other source material should be disregarded and we should just follow what you believe?
I'm asking you . Does the manga say North Galaxy , singular , yes or no?For it sure as hell was never stated in the manga that there were only 4 galaxies,
I'm not "forcing" anything . Merely following rules . Heck I'll PM Guy1 and ask him if guidebooks are admissible for feats now , if you wantso you could only possibly mean to force how you (wrongfully) believe the size of the DB universe is on on forum.
Doesn't work that way Dork.
Also, we could get a pretty fun fight animated:Jaco: “Look, I’m an elite patrolman! I’m busy! Don’t call me over for every little thing!”
Bulma: “Hey you! Do you know how to get to the center of the universe? Not just the center of the galaxy, the center of the whole universe!”
Jaco: “What are you, stupid or something? Even just one galaxy is ridiculously vast, and there’s tons of galaxies in the universe! Nobody could know how to get there…Well OK, Zuno might…”
Bulma: “Zuno? Who’s that?”
Jaco: “Zuno’s a weirdo who knows everything. Zuno can even tell what style of underwear a total stranger is wearing.”
Bulma: “Would this person know about the Super Dragon Balls too?”
Jaco: “Well, I’ve never heard of those, but I’m sure Zuno knows all about them.”
Bulma: “Take me to Zuno right now!”
Jaco: “…If you insist, but my ship’s only got room for one more.”
I'll just say, I'm not looking to bash the franchise. I am fond of Dragonball as a whole.
Super has just been... it's not really been my thing. Or rather, I like the plot beats; the whole multiverse thing and Goku and Vegeta actually starting to become gods is a good direction for the series. But the way the powers and the quality of the anime has just been... eh.
Anyhow, Phoenix beats Goku amirite?
Like a red-headed step-child (literally, with Super Saiyan God and all, he).Anyhow, Phoenix beats Goku amirite?
About the galaxy thing.jaco says there r tons of galaxies so ye.
I've got tons of pennies.
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
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Ichigo: What even *are* you?!
Kenpachi: Some say my mother was a train. Some say that I'm a rejected Godzilla monster too strong for the series canon. But everyone says: I'M THE KEEEEENPACHIIIIII!!!!
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
Arx Inosaan
No. I was telling you that even in the manga, it was never once mentioned that there was only 4 galaxies in the universe. You're trying to push for the universe being only the size of 4 galaxies based literally on nothing but your own opinion, all the while trying to discredit source material. I'd be happy with just saying it was no bigger or smaller a normal universe(which we usually assume for most works of fiction, as I don't recall this ever coming up before anywhere else). But your absurd attempts of trying to low ball the feats by saying that their universe only has 4 galaxies based on nothing from canon warrants a source that says otherwise.
I would be fine with it actually. Funny how you accuse me of being biased btw as I was just about to say that it is obvious that if we were talking about Superman, or any other DC character, you wouldn't be trying so hard to low ball the feats here.I'm merely following rumbles rules. You badly want "areas" to mean " galaxies" because you like the franchise . I wonder if you would have said the same for a marvel or Dc character claiming things like that
I never usually had a problem with them myself. Certain things from the guidebooks shouldn't be a problem when it comes to explaining some of the lore and such. Things that help us learn more about the series' universe and such.So why do marvel and DC guidebooks not count?
One has nothing to do with the other as one was basically a bomb of raw energy while the other almost made Nik have a nervous breakdown. Your condescension only manages to make your arguments look childish, not smart.You are certainly putting a lot of effort to differentiate between the one and the other to make the feat valid.
You mean the sensibility of the feats? Not many manga, or comic authors in general ever make that much effort either. Some do, certainly. But when you have stuff like this:I wonder ..has the author made half as much effort ? Anything from DBS or the manga noting the difference like that ?
There is going to be things that don't make sense.
Or are you are talking about the type of move? Well ones a ki beam clash while the other was caused by their fists connecting. There isn't much similarities between the two.
You have been unable to actually mention any contradictions, and what you have mentioned weren't even that, just you trying to twist and discredit the sources, while trying to push in making the universe the size of 4 galaxies in order to low ball the feat. There is no Japanese plural for the word "Galaxy". So you're asking for something that doesn't exist.It really doesn't save you from 90% of your self contradictory mess.
Nik and others already answered to most of this this in one way or another, so there is no need for me to basically say the same thing.It merely re-enforces the fact that the feat is largely unquantifiable.
Aside from that it doesn't really do away with the problems of a universe with a physical barrier or the Galaxy issue either
Said ruling was also in reference to feats and characters stats, etc. We are talking about the size of the universe. You are constantly pushing for there only being 4 galaxies in the universe(and each of them being the size of an average galaxy I assume?). You are arguing for this based on nothing, and won't believe otherwise unless it is specified anywhere that is not from a guidebook. But there is no difference between the words "galaxy" and galaxies" in Japanese. They share the same word.I missed the part where super has anything to do with things based on guidebooks ( namely the siZe of the Galaxy ) , allowing you to ignore a mod ruling
When the "no guidebook" ruling was made, I sincerely doubt lore being the reason in mind.
I wouldn't mind for an exception when it comes to lore that official guidebooks give you about their respective series imho. Comics included. We know the timeline for Legend of Zelda due to a guidebook(iirc), and I don't recall anyone ever having a problem with it being mentioned whatsoever as it wasn't being used for feats, but to tell about the timeline, something that is part of the series story.We disregard guidebooks and supplementary material for western comics. Should an exception be made for Manga?
There is no plurals in Japanese. So technically yes and no as both words translate to the same thing in Japanese. See for yourself:I'm asking you . Does the manga say North Galaxy , singular , yes or no?
http://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the...a4fda5deb.html
http://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the...687b63115.html
http://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the...07888047e.html
You're trying to equate english vocabulary with Japanese mate. Not going to work. There is a reason that English is regarded as the hardest language to learn.
You're basically trying to say that; "if it's not clear on whether it's a galaxy or "galaxies", then don't use it!", while trying to say that the universe should only have 4 galaxies based on......what exactly?I'm not "forcing" anything . Merely following rules . Heck I'll PM Guy1 and ask him if guidebooks are admissible for feats now , if you want
I already PM'd Guy myself. So let's just leave this here for now(and I see this getting nastier if it goes on) and let him decide. Though now that abmccray posted that page with Jaco saying there is a bunch of galaxies there is not much point on that subject. Though a ruling on whether lore from the guidebooks(not stats or anything like that, but lore that explains how the series universe works and such, not the characters themselves when it comes to their ability in combat) is acceptable or not would be fine too.
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For what is worth, i don't really consider the space ripple thing a strength feat rather than some sort of cosmic divine ki reaction/effect since it was causing the actual fabric of space as well as the things occupying said space to distort without causing any sort of damage (initially) to them, which would approximately be the equivalent of two cartoon characters punching each other so hard that the animation cells start flapping.
I think the same myself. I mean the shockwave was heavily delayed, and while it was showing us an outside view of the galaxy, the galaxy shakes from the initial impact of their fists connecting, and we see what's left of some planets getting wrecked from the impact.
Then the shockwave starts out. Which vaporizes random planets and travels outside of the universe and beyond, supposedly getting stronger.
The first bit? I can see being taken as a strength feat. The second? Too weird to be considered to having anything to do with strength imho.
In the manga it's much simpler: the Universe, and the Kaioshin realm outside of it; shakes. That's about it. I mean it still isn't realistic, but it's nowhere near as bad as what happened in the anime. More impressive than the first effect mentioned above when their fists connected in the anime.
No plurals is not really an excuse. I mean, just focusing on the "no plurals" argument, let's use an example, (with my admittedly rusty Japanese), so here's a Japanese sentence: 多くの銀河があります, now let's break it down.
多く - Ōku - many
の - no - possessive particle
銀河 - ginga - galaxy, galaxies
が - ga - subject indicator
あります - arimasu - there is
No plural needed.
Outside of that, unless I'm mistaken, that's not the original Japanese ambccray posted. So ... the "multiple galaxies" statement is off of a translation of a translation based off of a source that has "no plurals". I'm not saying that it's inadmissible (but come on, it really kind of is, man), but seeing the page in the original Japanese would be useful.
EDIT: Like I said, my Japanese isn't the 100% best. If I missed something feel free to shoot me in the tentacle foot.
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
Arx Inosaan
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