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    Quote Originally Posted by fabulousmax View Post
    And since no crime was committed, no trial is necessary. Earth law or inhuman law.
    Under Inhuman law a crime was committed. It's the same crime they charged Nightcrawler with. He used a the terrigen as a bomb under Inhuman law. Not to mean the collateral from it. It's the reason why we don't use nukes anymore, the fallout affected generations to come. The price was too high.





    As you can see the punishment by Inhuman law is death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Also this.





    The explanation for the Phoenix's trial at the time was that the Sh'iar are an evolved culture. Their ability to forgive is greater than humans. Obviously that changed but that's the explanation Claremont gave in X-Men Companion. They could forgive Hitler.
    So Magneto's crimes was swept under the carpet. Alright, justice served for all his victims.

    Right, the Shi'ar forgave Jean. Wonder how the D'bari people felt? Were they given the chance by Jean to evolve and forgive her too?
    The x-men are the biggest facilitators of genocide and murderers. Half their roster are filled with them.

    The United Nations or anyone for that matter didnt bring a case against Black Bolt because no crime was committed. He was saving the world.
    What's so hard to understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Under Inhuman law a crime was committed. It's the same crime they charged Nightcrawler with. He used a the terrigen as a bomb under Inhuman law. Not to mean the collateral from it. It's the reason why we don't use nukes anymore, the fallout affected generations to come. The price was too high.

    As you can see the punishment by Inhuman law is death.
    Again, Black Bolt used the bomb against Thanos to save the world.

    Was nightcrawler punished to death btw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fabulousmax View Post
    And since no crime was committed, no trial is necessary. Earth law or inhuman law.



    Well both Wolverines are mass murderers as well.

    No teen Jean escaped trial.

    Magneto for one. Sabretooth as well. Mystique for 3. Fantomex and Psylocke have committed many murders as well.
    You're wrong on all three points. Old Man Logan has not committed any crimes, unless you can find some of his victims' bodies or get witnesses to come forward. he's killed zero people. X-23 was forced to do the things she did, but you already knew that.

    Jeen has not committed any crimes, so I'm not sure why you're bringing her up. It wasn't even adult Jean who killed the Broccoli planet so I'm not sure why you're even bringing her up.

    You just didn't address my third question: PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT MAGNETO'S TEAM IS GOING TO COMMITT GENOCIDE. If you can't do so, concession accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabulousmax View Post
    So Magneto's crimes was swept under the carpet. Alright, justice served for all his victims.

    Right, the Shi'ar forgave Jean. Wonder how the D'bari people felt? Were they given the chance by Jean to evolve and forgive her too?
    The x-men are the biggest facilitators of genocide and murderers. Half their roster are filled with them.

    The United Nations or anyone for that matter didnt bring a case against Black Bolt because no crime was committed. He was saving the world.
    What's so hard to understand?
    Again swept under the carpet because you don't agree with the laws of the land. You may not like the laws of the land but the rulings were as follows. By their laws Justice was served. Phoenix was on trial not Jean Grey. The Phoenix was a copy of Jean Grey. One of the remaining D'Bari confronted Jean Grey in the Uncanny X-Men 380's and the explanation was given again. Blackbolt committed a crime under Inhuman law (See above).



    In any case both were trialled. Phoenix died on the moon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Under Inhuman law a crime was committed. It's the same crime they charged Nightcrawler with. He used a the terrigen as a bomb under Inhuman law. Not to mean the collateral from it. It's the reason why we don't use nukes anymore, the fallout affected generations to come. The price was too high.





    As you can see the punishment by Inhuman law is death.
    It seems mutants have a much stronger sense of morality than Inhumans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emma's Midriff View Post
    You're wrong on all three points. Old Man Logan has not committed any crimes, unless you can find some of his victims' bodies or get witnesses to come forward. he's killed zero people. X-23 was forced to do the things she did, but you already knew that.

    Jeen has not committed any crimes, so I'm not sure why you're bringing her up. It wasn't even adult Jean who killed the Broccoli planet so I'm not sure why you're even bringing her up.

    You just didn't address my third question: PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT MAGNETO'S TEAM IS GOING TO COMMITT GENOCIDE. If you can't do so, concession accepted.
    Old Man logan killed all the x-men. Mind control defence really? Then Black Bolt used the Terrigen bomb to save the world, self-defence on a global scale. He didnt know about the affects on mutants either. Much better defence.

    The jean retcon was retconned again in the trial of jean grey. Jean was the one who destroyed a whole planet.

    Didnt say they were going to commit genocide. I said they ALREADY HAVE.

    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Again swept under the carpet because you don't agree with the laws of the land. You may not like the laws of the land but the rulings were as follows. By their laws Justice was served. Phoenix was on trial not Jean Grey. The Phoenix was a copy of Jean Grey. One of the remaining D'Bari confronted Jean Grey in the Uncanny X-Men 380's and the explanation was given again. Blackbolt committed a crime under Inhuman law (See above).


    In any case both were trialled. Phoenix died on the moon.
    Yeah the law found no reason to convict or prosecute Black Bolt of anything. Not every allegation goes to court you know.

    So she died twice? I get it, 2 x-men equals a whole planet. Justice right there, if only there was a D'bari court to convict her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabulousmax View Post
    So Magneto's crimes was swept under the carpet. Alright, justice served for all his victims.

    Right, the Shi'ar forgave Jean. Wonder how the D'bari people felt? Were they given the chance by Jean to evolve and forgive her too?
    The x-men are the biggest facilitators of genocide and murderers. Half their roster are filled with them.

    The United Nations or anyone for that matter didnt bring a case against Black Bolt because no crime was committed. He was saving the world.
    What's so hard to understand?



    Again, Black Bolt used the bomb against Thanos to save the world.

    Was nightcrawler punished to death btw?
    Was there a mass fallout from Nightcrawler's desecration? But the point is he was trialled. The X-Men intervened and saved all of Attlian. The argument would only work in blackbolts favour if the bomb was the only option. If the punishment was death then the allegation should go to court.

    If you execute someone you can only do it once. Is that justice? Who knows this isn't a death penalty debate. The point being that they're dead and buried now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Was there a mass fallout from Nightcrawler's desecration? But the point is he was trialled. The X-Men intervened and saved all of Attlian. The argument would only work in blackbolts favour if the bomb was the only option.
    No trial is needed if no crime was committed. Again not all allegations are taken to trial.

    Alright, tell me another option to take on Thanos.

    Keep in mind, the x-men were hiding their bunker like cowards or out shopping with Emma Frost.
    The most powerful avengers were in space fighting an intergalactic war with the Builders. While the illuminati had the incursions to deal with.

    Even when they returned, it took the most powerful leaders of the empires to just defeat Black Dwarf. And the avengers were losing to Thanos, Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight.
    Tell me some other options please....

    He was only stopped by Thane. Guess where Thane's powers came from?


    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    If you execute someone you can only do it once. Is that justice? Who knows this isn't a death penalty debate. The point being that they're dead and buried now.
    She wasn't executed, she killed herself to escape proper justice. And multiple death penalties can be sentenced. Not to mention the law doesnt take reviving someone into account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fabulousmax View Post
    No trial is needed if no crime was committed. Again not all allegations are taken to trial.

    Alright, tell me another option to take on Thanos.

    Keep in mind, the x-men were hiding their bunker like cowards or out shopping with Emma Frost.
    The most powerful avengers were in space fighting an intergalactic war with the Builders. While the illuminati had the incursions to deal with.

    Even when they returned, it took the most powerful leaders of the empires to just defeat Black Dwarf. And the avengers were losing to Thanos, Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight.
    Tell me some other options please....

    He was only stopped by Thane. Guess where Thane's powers came from?
    Medusa is aware of what Blackbolt did and what he did is a crime punishable by death by Inhuman law. See above. Plenty of options its comics there are a plethora of reality warpers sitting on Earth. The point was for story purposes Blackbolt opted for a terrigen bomb. He deals with the consequences now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Medusa is aware of what Blackbolt did and what he did is a crime punishable by death by Inhuman law. See above. Plenty of options its comics there are a plethora of reality warpers sitting on Earth. The point was for story purposes Blackbolt opted for a terrigen bomb. He deals with the consequences now.
    Yes where were these reality warpers? Hiding with the x-men?

    Point is, they werent there and the best option at the time was the terrigen bomb by Black Bolt. And since he was saving the world, there will be no consequence. Story purpose can apply to this as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabulousmax View Post
    Yes where were these reality warpers? Hiding with the x-men?

    Point is, they werent there and the best option at the time was the terrigen bomb by Black Bolt. And since he was saving the world, there will be no consequence. That's the story purpose.
    They were on Earth. Blackbolt chose to build a terrigen bomb. It's not an allegation it's a fact that is not even hidden from Medusa or the rest of the Inhumans. It's a crime punishable by death. No trial still. You launch an experiemental bomb using sacred crystals you wreak havoc, you get caught and now you deal with the consequences. Story purposes don't apply, FOR Blackbolt he couldn't think of another option. But just because you can't think of another action does not mean you are immune from consequences if you f' up. Not every super heroic action works out unfortunately see Stamford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    They were on Earth. Blackbolt chose to build a terrigen bomb. It's not an allegation it's a fact that is not even hidden from Medusa or the rest of the Inhumans. It's a crime punishable by death. No trial still. You launch an experiemental bomb using sacred crystals you wreak havoc you get caught now you deal with the consequences.
    Well like the x-men they were cowards and were hiding from Thanos.

    Again, Black Bolt used the bomb the save the world. It's mitigating circumstance like self-defence. Not all allegations go to trial if the prosecutor knows he will not win the case. Do you even know any sort of law?

    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Story purposes don't apply, FOR Blackbolt he couldn't think of another option. But just because you can't think of another action does not mean you are immune from consequences if you f' up. Not every super heroic action works out unfortunately see Stamford.
    Good thing he didnt fucked up then. Because it worked, Thane as a result of his terrigenesis stopped Thanos.

    The whole world couldnt be happier and no trial was needed.
    Mutants dont count because they obviously didnt consider themselves part of the world and played no part in trying to save the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fabulousmax View Post
    Well like the x-men they were cowards and were hiding from Thanos.

    Again, Black Bolt used the bomb the save the world. It's mitigating circumstance like self-defence. Not all allegations go to trial if the prosecutor knows he will not win the case. Do you even know any sort of law?
    Black Bolt used an experimental biological weapon to save the world without discussing it with his advisors and that had devastating consequences afterwards. It wasn't just an attack on Thanos it resulted on an attack on the world and mutantkind. Again this is why experimental weapons and biological weapons are banned from warfare. There are plenty of human and inhuman laws to send him away. But he would only answer to Inhuman law. There's no reason why this would not go to trial given how sacred those crystals are. It's not an allegation it's a fact that he built a bomb and used it as a weapon. And a lot of cases where there is evidence do go to trial so what's your point? That's a ridiculous argument. You can repeat allegation but he's not only admitted to doing what he did making him cullpable every one now knows what he did. We know from the panel evidence I showed you that it's a crime. The Inhumans went to war over a few crystals being stolen from them by the US government. Quicksilver had to make up a story about being replaced by a skrull to avoid punishment. Nightcrawler got trialled for it. There's no reason why it wouldn't go to trial as this is a bigger crime then any of those others by Inhuman law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Black Bolt used an experimental biological weapon to save the world without discussing it with his advisors and that had devastating consequences afterwards. It wasn't just an attack on Thanos it resulted on an attack on the world and mutantkind. Again this is why experimental weapons and biological weapons are banned from warfare. There are plenty of human and inhuman laws to send him away. But he would only answer to Inhuman law. There's no reason why this would not go to trial given how sacred those crystals are. It's not an allegation it's a fact. And a lot of cases where there is evidence do go to trial so what's your point? You can repeat allegation but he's not only admitted to doing what he did making him cullpable every one now knows what he did. We know from the panel evidence I showed you that it's a crime. The Inhumans went to war over a few crystals being stolen from them by the US government. Quicksilver had to make up a story about being replaced by a skrull to avoid punishment. There's no reason why it wouldn't go to trial.
    Well tell that to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But no one cared because it worked and ended WW2.

    And again he used to save the world which is a mitigating factor. Black Bolt like Quicksilver just told his story that he used the bomb to stop Thanos. And therefore he avoided trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabulousmax View Post
    Old Man logan killed all the x-men. Mind control defence really? Then Black Bolt used the Terrigen bomb to save the world, self-defence on a global scale. He didnt know about the affects on mutants either. Much better defence.

    The jean retcon was retconned again in the trial of jean grey. Jean was the one who destroyed a whole planet.

    Didnt say they were going to commit genocide. I said they ALREADY HAVE.



    Yeah the law found no reason to convict or prosecute Black Bolt of anything. Not every allegation goes to court you know.

    So she died twice? I get it, 2 x-men equals a whole planet. Justice right there, if only there was a D'bari court to convict her.
    Re: Old man Logan: Impossible. The X-men are alive. Try again. X-23 was literally mind controlled and conditioned to be a weapon. I don't know why you think that's not a valid defense. Try again.

    Re: Jeen: Jeen killed nobody. Try again.

    Re: Magneto: Please provide evidence that Magneto and his team have committed genocide. (hint: it should look a lot like M-day or the T-bomb)

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