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    Default So why did Avengers tower get sold? (small Secret Wars 9 spoilers)

    I don't mean this as in the financial reason Stark needed to sell it but how does Stark get to sell it?

    I know it was rebuilt a couple times but just prior to Secret Wars it was seized by SHIELD and under their control. It was apparently destroyed again right before Secret Wars but the city was rebuilt as if the incursion never happened. So shouldn't SHIELD still own the building following Secret Wars? SHIELD still has connections to The Avengers and SHIELD still operates within New York. Why on Earth did SHIELD just pack it all up once the incursions had been over and why would they just let Tony own the building after his actions on the west coast. Even if he was inverted that is still something people can and should hesitate about. Especially since he was also based in the west coast prior to Secret Wars. Why did he come back? He wasn't present as well during Rage of Ultron and it was his building getting assaulted by Ultron. He wasn't even on the Avengers and apparently hasn't prior to ANAD Avengers so why did he get the building if he wasn't funding them and had no control over the building prior to this?
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    It's a bit unclear but from what people are saying, as a result of Secret Wars, Time Runs Out may have been erased from the timeline, thus the SHIELD takeover never happened and Tony never lost ownership of Avengers tower, at least until now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    It's a bit unclear but from what people are saying, as a result of Secret Wars, Time Runs Out may have been erased from the timeline, thus the SHIELD takeover never happened and Tony never lost ownership of Avengers tower, at least until now.
    I haven't read the issue yet, but you say Time Runs Out never happened. Is this the reason why Matt Murdock is DD again and his identity is not known, because those 8 months never happened at all?

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    Maybe it has to do with some of the stuff Stark did while inverted (if that stuff still happened... still not sure how this stuff all works). That couldn't have been good for his PR, and he financially might have taken a hit there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpyred View Post
    I haven't read the issue yet, but you say Time Runs Out never happened. Is this the reason why Matt Murdock is DD again and his identity is not known, because those 8 months never happened at all?
    That wouldn't be possible since Matt revealing his identity was independent of Time Runs Out having happened before that given he's been in California for a while now. His identity returning to secret seems to be something he did but something that was controversial going off of how Foggy reacts to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    That wouldn't be possible since Matt revealing his identity was independent of Time Runs Out having happened before that given he's been in California for a while now. His identity returning to secret seems to be something he did but something that was controversial going off of how Foggy reacts to it.
    This has gotta be like the second or third or fourth time Matt's identity has been exposed and covered up again anyways. So clearly cosmic reboots aren't necessary to accomplish that.

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    You know, if TRO never happened, that could also explain why it is that Steve and Tony seem to be on speaking terms again. One of the main things that had broken their friendship was their meeting at the diner and Steve learning that Tony had used them knowing they couldn't solve the incursions problem. If that point was erased, the two never would have had their falling out and at least peace between the two would be maintained.

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    Unless otherwise stated Time Runs Out still happened. There's been far too many references to the general public knowing about the incursions in All New, All Different books for it not to have occurred in some form. Also in what books are Steve and Tony on speaking terms again? Both the Free Comic Book Day and the first issue of Avengers had references to them two of them not speaking.

    As for the question of Avengers tower surely a better question would how is there a tower to sell? It was destroyed in the first issue of Secret Wars. The one that we see being sold off resembles the one from the Marvel Cinematic Universe while you could argue the Stark Tower we see in the Bendis Iron Man book resembles the the Avengers tower in Hickman's Avengers books.

    I'd say that the Avengers tower destroyed in Secret Wars (which again seemed to still happen) was just badly damaged and the swap in designs is just artistic license on the part of Kubert. As for it's ownership I'm pretty sure it being seized was due to Stark and the Illuminati being wanted men but that situation resolved itself and to be honest characters being held accountable for their actions even when not in their right mind like Stark was has always been arbitrary. Then again shouldn't SHIELD own it anyway? Didn't Dark Avengers establish that Tony rebuilt the tower with SHIELD funds when he was director hence it belonged to them.

    It's like Avengers Mansion. Tony sold it to Luke Cage but after the Heroic Age Cage never used it even when he needed a head quarters for his Mighty Avengers. The Unity Squad used it as their base and seemed to be a back up Avengers base in general where they paying Cage rent? Same with the Baxter Building how was it put on the market for Peter Parker to buy?

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    TRO happened. I am very surprised so many people didn't get the end of SW. Reed and Molecule Man intervention clearly come at the moment of the final incursion (as said and shown in SW9 itself), so everything still happened.

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