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    Quote Originally Posted by OldWestPaladin View Post
    How about upgrading Moonstone, I can think of few things more terrifying than a villain with a Captain Marvel level of super-power, backed by the ability to get inside her enemies' heads like a psychiatrist. Against any hero with self doubt, which is almost all of them in Marvel, she could be formidable.
    Because for the most part, Moonstone is just a egotistical thug-for-hire whose only motivation for her talents and powers is simple greed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldWestPaladin View Post
    Madame Masque - promising, but not "big time"
    Enchantress - gets a pass because of how long she's been around, but she's magic, sex, and woman scorned. no
    Viper - OK
    Dark Phoenix - plot device, not a character
    Selene - magic, sex, no
    Deathbird - promising, but limited
    Lady Bullseye - derivative of a world class male villain
    Lady Deathstrike - promising, but limited, no "big time" aspect to her character
    Alkhema - derivative of a world class male villain (bride of Ultron)
    Lady Mastermind - derivative of a male villain
    Madelyne Pryor - poster girl for Woman scorned, plus sex, plus magic, wow.
    Morgan le Fay - classic
    Moonstone - excellent potential
    Typhoid Mary - great character, not a "big time" possibility.

    How many of the above "strong woman characters" have lingerie or worse as a defining costume choice.
    You could upgrade a lot of these characters. If I recall, Enchantress currently isn't interested in Thor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myetche View Post
    Because for the most part, Moonstone is just a egotistical thug-for-hire whose only motivation for her talents and powers is simple greed.
    Which is paradoxical because she was the one who defeated Graviton by revealing his lack of goals. She is an interesting character but not a top number. But she knows it and enjoy it.
    I tried to think who is the top female villian. At first, mutant characters come to my mind, with Dark Phoenix, Mystique and Cassandra Nova as top tiers. But two of them are host of cosmic entities and Mystique depiste not being top in power, has played more in the grey zone and has recognition beyond the comics world.

    So Amora and Morgan Lefey appear to be the most powerful villianess but have any of then an story where their potential is reached? Any issue than you can call pivotal of their potential?

    Or there is any other character with such characteristics?
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    Morgan le fay all day.

    Moonstone though unsure if a hero or villian now a days would have been a perfect fit for a captain marvel arch enemy. They have quite similar power sets.

    Superia had so much potential. She was battering the avengers on her own with our breaking a sweat in one issue I read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevlon View Post
    Moonstone though unsure if a hero or villian now a days would have been a perfect fit for a captain marvel arch enemy. They have quite similar power sets.
    Moonstone is an opportunist not a psychopath so she won't do evil just for the sake of it, but she's definitely no hero
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    Mystique should totally be that character, but like someone said, she's kind of in a grey area now.

    Cassandra Nova could be that character for the X-Men

    Madam Hydra has potential, but it seems she shows up then Marvel forgets about her.

    There's several 2nd and 3rd tier villainesses that could work as major threats with a bit of revamp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talkie Toaster View Post
    Moonstone is an opportunist not a psychopath so she won't do evil just for the sake of it, but she's definitely no hero
    Unfortunately, some later work, primarily around the Dark Reign era when she was playing Ms. Marvel, depicted her as more of a straight-up psychopath. No profit in talking your depressed patients into killing themselves, nor in traumatizing another patient who believes her husband is cheating on her by calling her house number and asking for said husband in a fake bimbo voice. No profit in flying people as high into the sky as you can get while keeping them breathing and then dropping them to their deaths, either. Granted, most of this is neither known to the heroes of the Marvel Universe nor to the general readership, but if you take that into account, it rather permanently drops Moonstone into the irredeemable pile and would color most heroes' thoughts on the chances of redeeming her or seeing her as an ally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    Mystique should totally be that character, but like someone said, she's kind of in a grey area now.
    Maybe if it was ten-to-fifteen years ago, I could see it, but not now. Mystique's just a heartless monster who controls, betrays, and/or kills everybody she meets out of spite. Or may we mention how she scammed her way into Xavier's will over a one-night stand? Satiated her inner Heisenberg by sucking Mutant Growth Hormone out of mutants like Dazzler and selling it for profit? Or how about betraying who was her closest friend Destiny because she learned what she was supposed to do and said "Screw it, I'm outta here"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myetche View Post
    Maybe if it was ten-to-fifteen years ago, I could see it, but not now. Mystique's just a heartless monster who controls, betrays, and/or kills everybody she meets out of spite. Or may we mention how she scammed her way into Xavier's will over a one-night stand? Satiated her inner Heisenberg by sucking Mutant Growth Hormone out of mutants like Dazzler and selling it for profit? Or how about betraying who was her closest friend Destiny because she learned what she was supposed to do and said "Screw it, I'm outta here"?
    Even worse, Destiny wasn't just Mystique's best friend. Destiny was the one person Mystique genuinely loved. The idea that Mystique could turn her back on even that just because she hated Logan that much . . .
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    As stated multiple times it is most definitely Morgan Le Fay followed by Hela, Enchantress, Selene, Madelyne Pryor and Moonstone.

    Cassandra Nova has so much potential to be Marvel's answer to Doctor Doom, but she kind of seemed like a one deal and done.
    Emma Frost, Rogue, Felicia Hardy, Helena Bertinelli, Allison Blaire, Barbara Gordon, Monica Rambeau, Carol Danvers, Illyana Rasputin, Ororo Munroe, Harleen Quinzel, Lorna Dane, Irene Adler, Kate Kane, Rachel Grey Summers, Jean Grey, Diana Prince, Barbara Ann Minerva, Donna Troy, Jennifer Walters, Gwen Stacy, Wanda Maximoff = PERFECTION!

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    Mystique by a long ways which actually says a lot about the sad state of Marvel's female villains.

    It should be Emma Frost but the 90's happened where it was cool and edgy to make villains heroes even when it didn't make sense.

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    Skrull Queen Veranke had the goods but was written out after Secret Invasion. She could have easily had long term potential as a world conqueror.
    http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Veranke_(Earth-616)
    http://www.comicvine.com/spider-woma...ke/4005-54514/

    WRT Mystique: Having read just about everything she's been featured in, she maxes out as either a Mutant Terrorist/Freedom Fighter (depending on perspective) with Motherhood issues or as a Shapeshifting Nihilist, which doesn't seem to approach the level this thread seeks to enumerate.

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