Star Wars - Episode VIII

[Ishmael]

Well, yes. But in Lucas' vision, balance meant the complete and utter eradication of the Dark Side.

Actually it was quite the opposite. The Jedi mistakenly thought it meant that -- but as Revenge of the Sith showed, they interpreted that phrase vis-a-vis Anakin incorrectly (and Yoda even has the momentary realization that they may have misunderstood it).

The balance was achieved by destroying the predominance of the Jedi and leaving each side with virtually 2 apiece.

[The Whovian]

I kinda hate to say it but I was kinda underwhelmed from the teaser trailer. It was still a good trailer, but it did not get me near as excited as the Force Awakens or even the Rogue One trailers did.

Agreed. Hopefully, the next trailer will be a better one.

[Scott Taylor]

Actually it was quite the opposite. The Jedi mistakenly thought it meant that -- but as Revenge of the Sith showed, they interpreted that phrase vis-a-vis Anakin incorrectly (and Yoda even has the momentary realization that they may have misunderstood it).

The balance was achieved by destroying the predominance of the Jedi and leaving each side with virtually 2 apiece.

You can hardly blame the Jedi for not thinking that it meant most of them had to die. And the alternative is to have tons of Sith everywhere, which would have been an even bigger nightmare. They had enough trouble with just a few of them!

Balance is the two sides being balanced. Which, to me, means equal power. I figure a guy like Palpatine or Vader was worth quite a number of normal Jedi, in terms of power. So its ok for there to be a ton of Jedi, as long as enough powerful Sith are out there to counter-balance them.

Or alternatively you could have no Jedi or Sith, thus producing a different sort of "balance." A boring one, maybe, but still balance. Seems like this may be where the movie is headed.

[AJBopp]

Actually it was quite the opposite. The Jedi mistakenly thought it meant that -- but as Revenge of the Sith showed, they interpreted that phrase vis-a-vis Anakin incorrectly (and Yoda even has the momentary realization that they may have misunderstood it).

The balance was achieved by destroying the predominance of the Jedi and leaving each side with virtually 2 apiece.

The balance was achieved by a powerful Jedi turning completely to the dark side and then doing the unthinkable - returning to the light and destroying the dark. That was the single essential story of the first six films.

As for the trailer, I found it to be a big yawn. There was nothing in it at all that made me actually want to watch the film. But, I do want to watch the film. Just not because of the trailer. I expect much better things from the next trailer. I suspect there was a limited amount they could show yet because not many of the SFX are there yet.

[ChrisIII]

And it's come up numerous times in the cartoons, which he supervises (or at least I'm pretty sure he still supervised the more Force-heavy episodes of Clone Wars, I think he's a little less involved in Rebels).

I'm pretty sure Lucas isn't involved at all with Rebels, apart from it's source material. Kathleen Kennedy's been in charge of the company since 2012.

Although, some of the Disney material we've seen so far is based on concepts developed but never materialized during Lucas's ownership-Rogue One, for instance, started as a concept for the TV show Lucas was working on.

Speaking of which, I'm surprised there hasn't been an announcement on a third spin-off at Celebration. Still, two more days to go, although tomorrow's mainly supposed to be game-related news.


As for the trailer not showing too much, that was kind of the way the first FA trailer was-just a few shots of the characters here and there with some X-wings, then the Millenium Falcon.

[MagnarTheGreat]

Looks like an honest-to-goodness space battle will be in the movie unlike VII.

[abulafia]

i love nebulon frigates. but they seem to be the only capital ships in that action sequence. variety plz
that quick shot looks almost like a cutscene from the "old republic" video games

ps
rogue one hammerhead frigate, was that stolen from the homeworld games? can´t recall ramming frigates from any other franchise

[ChrisIII]

Those aren't Escort frigates (Well, at least not the Nebulon ones)-they have a 'fin' like those ships but the front looks a lot more like the Millenium Falcon's cockpit. Also they appear to be some in some formation, whereas (canonically) the frigates in the movies seem to mainly function as medical frigates. These seem to be quarding the planet or something.


ESB didn't really have any space battles either, it was mainly the Falcon running from Star Destroyers and TIEs. Force Awakens had something like that early on, with Poe and Finn's TIE evading the Star Destroyer.

Speaking of variety, if you look fast in the hanger scenes and the space battle you can spot A-wings-which now are colored like AOTC's Jedi starfighter.

[abulafia]

i´d say they re somekind of nebulon frigates based core design. classic star wars had nebulon B frigates, which to me, indicates a multi-purpose design. these could very well be nebulon G frigates. also this is years later, but it is still nebulon basic design.
(i never understood why they needed medical frigates though. just a ploy to make the good guys look better. we never see a jettisoned pilot rescued, but yay evil empire targeted the med frig 1st!)

[Totoro Man]

i´d say they re somekind of nebulon frigates based core design. classic star wars had nebulon B frigates, which to me, indicates a multi-purpose design. also this is years later, but it is still nebulon basic design.
(i never understood why they needed medical frigates though. just a ploy to make the good guys look better. we never see a jettisoned pilot rescued, but yay evil empire targeted the med frig 1st!)

I could be wrong but... I think most navies have had medical/hospital ships for the last several hundred years (if not thousand or more).

what looks stranger is that the Empire doesn't have any corresponding vessel. however, I assumed that the typical Star Destroyer was, in fact, a multi-purpose design. since it obviously carries a large complement of Tie-fighters and is capable of deploying ground forces. they probably have all of their medical resources built into each ship. as such there would be no need for a dedicated Imperial medical ship. (kinda like in Star Trek where apparently every major capital ship has a dedicated 'sick bay'.

maybe the Rebel Alliance fleet has medical frigates because they simply can't afford a jack-of-all-trades capital vessel in the same way the Empire can. I dunno, maybe they're just hospital ships that have been upgraded to serve rudimentary military functions... not unlike installing weapons on a typical merchant marine vessel during war-time.

from an economic and logistical standpoint the cookie-cutter approach of the Empire makes a lot of sense. it would be better in the long run than having dozens of different types of ships that are incompatible or have partial overlap of parts.

just geeking out, I suppose.

[abulafia]

I could be wrong but... I think most navies have had medical/hospital ships for the last several hundred years (if not thousand or more).

what looks stranger is that the Empire doesn't have any corresponding vessel. however, I assumed that the typical Star Destroyer was, in fact, a multi-purpose design. since it obviously carries a large complement of Tie-fighters and is capable of deploying ground forces. they probably have all of their medical resources built into each ship. as such there would be no need for a dedicated Imperial medical ship. (kinda like in Star Trek where apparently every major capital ship has a dedicated 'sick bay'.

maybe the Rebel Alliance fleet has medical frigates because they simply can't afford a jack-of-all-trades capital vessel in the same way the Empire can. I dunno, maybe they're just hospital ships that have been upgraded to serve rudimentary military functions... not unlike installing weapons on a typical merchant marine vessel during war-time.

from an economic and logistical standpoint the cookie-cutter approach of the Empire makes a lot of sense. it would be better in the long run than having dozens of different types of ships that are incompatible or have partial overlap of parts.

just geeking out, I suppose.

don´t we all?

when i was younger, it always puzzled me, why the alliance brought a medical ship to the battle. it wasn´t like they had time to pick up scattered pilots. i think in space combat, a dedicated does make ship sense. gives me a headache how you would handle landing priorities

[He-Kal]

I just hope these rumors of Rey bringing forth a new system of all gray Jedi and no longer having Sith and Jedi is not true. Gray Jedi are interesting, but to do away with the Jedi altogether
seems insane to me (I really don't think that's going to happen, but reading people speculations,etc... has me concerned...)

[JediKage]

It doesn't matter.

Functionally we will always have some sort of Jedi and some sort of Sith. Because Star Wars is about the Force and two people with sabers clashing.

No way Disney shifts so far away from the Core Formula. Sure you can for a Rogue One or Han Solo movie but not all the time.

[the nomad]

It doesn't matter.

Functionally we will always have some sort of Jedi and some sort of Sith. Because Star Wars is about the Force and two people with sabers clashing.

No way Disney shifts so far away from the Core Formula. Sure you can for a Rogue One or Han Solo movie but not all the time.

NEver say never. At this point I would not put it past disney to do anything to tweak the Star Wars Formula.

[AJBopp]

It doesn't matter.

Functionally we will always have some sort of Jedi and some sort of Sith. Because Star Wars is about the Force and two people with sabers clashing.

No way Disney shifts so far away from the Core Formula. Sure you can for a Rogue One or Han Solo movie but not all the time.

Tell that to rogue one when that movie is selling more than the main franchise