DC's May 2016 Variants Celebrate 52 Issues of New 52

[Sirzechs]

Oh please let this be an end to the horror of the New 52! If they don't revert back to pre-Flashpoint DC right away, they're eternally screwed!

Considering that pre-Flashpoint was selling lower, Titans Hunt and Lois & Clark aren't breaking any records how exactly are they screwed?

[Rod G]

No, it is. Its entirely hopeless. Superhero comics were dying before the New 52. And I'm not talking just DC, Marvel too. Dying. Let that sink in. There's absolutely NO benefit to reverting back. If the current comics are not your deal, more than fair. But you're exaggerating its negative impact. In fact its an outright falsehood. In the end the impact was positive, even if they couldn't keep up the momentum.

With that said keep an eye out for possibly more multiverse titles in the lineup after Rebirth. If my hunch is right and that happens, it could be there that you might get a pre-FP feel title. But the "main" continuity will not be reverting back.

I agree with you on this one, Sacred Knight.

[JBatmanFan05]

Considering that pre-Flashpoint was selling lower, Titans Hunt and Lois & Clark aren't breaking any records how exactly are they screwed?

Nostalgia sells (X-Files, etc). Lots of pre-FP token nods DC does (like L&C) are treated like Elseworlds (of no consequence to larger DCU) & feature lesser/older talent, so of course no records will be broken.

[Atlanta96]

Given the trajectory of pre-52 they may have been down to 15 million this year with no New 52. So, 5 years of MUCH better sales is a failure? Ok

A long term failure, yes. A temporary sales boom doesn't mean much in the long run. And I'm sure DC could have increased their sales back in 2011 without the bloody reboot. Marvel increased their profits without wiping out decades of continuity like DC did.

[AlexanderLuthor]

A long term failure, yes. A temporary sales boom doesn't mean much in the long run. And I'm sure DC could have increased their sales back in 2011 without the bloody reboot. Marvel increased their profits without wiping out decades of continuity like DC did.

You are joking, right? Whether they call them reboots or not, Marvel is rebooting every two years at this point. Secret Wars just rebooted everything

[Sacred Knight]

Nostalgia sells (X-Files, etc). Lots of pre-FP token nods DC does (like L&C) are treated like Elseworlds (of no consequence to larger DCU) & feature lesser/older talent, so of course no records will be broken.

In regards to Lois and Clark that's untrue. By placing them on the main Earth they were specifically painting a picture of possible consequence to the main DCU. With news of them being involved in rebirth its pretty much confirmed that they will have consequences to the main DCU And its still not doing anything impressive.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

Nostalgia sells (X-Files, etc). Lots of pre-FP token nods DC does (like L&C) are treated like Elseworlds (of no consequence to larger DCU) & feature lesser/older talent, so of course no records will be broken.

I'm speaking as someone who wants them to somehow canonize every major story of Post-Crisis DC in the DCnU, but...how can something be treated as an elseworlds if it takes place in the main universe? And I don't get your corollary how Jurgens writing somehow makes it so this title would sell worse. He's a competent writer. So if ppl wanted to buy it, there really wouldn't be anything keeping them away. You're just trying to defend a losing point.

[JBatmanFan05]

In regards to Lois and Clark that's untrue. By placing them on the main Earth they were specifically painting a picture of possible consequence to the main DCU. With news of them being involved in rebirth its pretty much confirmed that they will have consequences to the main DCU And its still not doing anything impressive.

Main earth or not doesn't matter. That's not the main Superman anymore and everyone knows it. No Romita for that Superman, no Pak or [insert other hot/big/cool creators].

[Atlanta96]

You are joking, right? Whether they call them reboots or not, Marvel is rebooting every two years at this point. Secret Wars just rebooted everything

I havent followed Marvel for a couple years now. How much past continuity did Secret Wars erase? If the answer is little to none, then it's not comparable to what DC did with the New 52.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

A long term failure, yes. A temporary sales boom doesn't mean much in the long run. And I'm sure DC could have increased their sales back in 2011 without the bloody reboot. Marvel increased their profits without wiping out decades of continuity like DC did.

To an extent, that's true. But it's also not true. Marvel is still fundamentally changing their universe to be more like the movie universe. For example, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver have been retconned as no longer being Magneto's children. Why? Because Marvel studios doesn't own the film rights to the X-Men and they wanted to use those two in the Avengers movies.

[JasonTodd428]

A long term failure, yes. A temporary sales boom doesn't mean much in the long run. And I'm sure DC could have increased their sales back in 2011 without the bloody reboot. Marvel increased their profits without wiping out decades of continuity like DC did.

And yet Marvel seemingly has just as much of a problem keeping readers otherwise they wouldn't constantly feel the need relaunch and renumber books when they fall below a certain amount of sales. Frankly, I don't think they are doing so hot either or at least their mainline titles seem to be having trouble with a lot of the recently relaunched titles falling lower sales wise compared to the counterpart titles from before SW.

[Sacred Knight]

Main earth or not doesn't matter. That's not the main Superman and everyone knows it. No Romita for that Superman, no Pak or [insert other hot/big/cool creators].

But that's the excuse you gave it for not selling well, that it wasn't of consequence to the larger continuity.

[Sirzechs]

Nostalgia sells (X-Files, etc). Lots of pre-FP token nods DC does (like L&C) are treated like Elseworlds (of no consequence to larger DCU) & feature lesser/older talent, so of course no records will be broken.

Lol X-files? the quality and ratings took a gigantic nosedive and its literally just 3 episodes in.

[JBatmanFan05]

But that's the excuse you gave it for not selling well, that it wasn't of consequence to the larger continuity.

And Main Earth was proffered as to why it is of consequence and I disagree. That's not the main Superman anymore and that matters to cash-strapped readers.

[JBatmanFan05]

Lol X-files? the quality and ratings took a gigantic nosedive and its literally just 3 episodes in.

What on earth are you talking about? Read the news
http://www.thewrap.com/x-files-the-b...ngs-supergirl/
http://headlineplanet.com/home/2016/...in-week-three/
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...nch-since-2009