Wonder Woman Villains Sightings

[prepmaster]

WW's fans are right to be pissed off when her arch nemesis is presented to be more of a non factor than a credible threat. But at the same WW doesn't have a great rogues gallery and DC is giving her villains more exposure through their most popular mediums. Especially in animation. Sure, people could argue that WW & her rouges should be pushed independently instead of being put in Bat medium but companies choose the more profitable route.

[Agent Z]

WW's fans are right to be pissed off when her arch nemesis is presented to be more of a non factor than a credible threat. But at the same WW doesn't have a great rogues gallery and DC is giving her villains more exposure through their most popular mediums. Especially in animation. Sure, people could argue that WW & her rouges should be pushed independently instead of being put in Bat medium but companies choose the more profitable route.

Wonder Woman has a better rogues gallery than anyone not named Spider-Man and Batman and you'll still see better treatment of such rogues galleries than this. Cheetah appearing as a cameo in a Batman movie where she is easily captured is not going to endear her to audiences. Exposure actually has to be accompanied with good writing. Which do you think is better to get a villain fans; being a major villain in a cinematic film that's a sequel to a highly successful movie or being powerless cameo in an animated movie that doesn't even revolve around the franchise they originated from. And before you answer that, think really hard if doing the former would have made any of Batman's villains popular.

[Psy-lock]

In the next animated movie I want to see Steve Trevor defeating Bane with one punch. And it would still be more plausible than any of the Bat-characters being able to take on Cheetah.

[prepmaster]

Wonder Woman has a better rogues gallery than anyone not named Spider-Man and Batman

Superman, Flash, X-Men, Fantastic 4 have better rouges.

And before you answer that, think really hard if doing the former would have made any of Batman's villains popular.

Batman is popular in part due to his villains. WW is popular not due to her villains. Batman villains have psychological, morals and even ideological depth in them.

[Psy-lock]

I'd say in DC her rogues gallery is the best after Batman, Superman and the Flash. Not a bad fit, considering that she never had an animated series and is only on her second movie (and the Lynda Carter show never used any of her costumed rogues). Superman's and especially Batman's villains benefitted immensely from the great exposure in movies, tv shows, video games and cartoons

[Agent Z]

Superman, Flash, X-Men, Fantastic 4 have better rouges.

The Fantastic Four have only one good villain to their name. Most of the X-Men's rogues gallery isn't that impressive which is why adaptations keep resorting to Magneto for the most part. The Flash's rogues gallery have historically not been that impressive and before the Geoff Johns run. Mark Waid himself thought they were poor characters.

Batman is popular in part due to his villains. WW is popular not due to her villains. Batman villains have psychological, morals and even ideological depth in them.

And they didn't get that way by being jobbed out in other characters' adaptations. This stuff doesn't come out of nowhere. Mr Freeze was considered a poorly made character until the DCAU.

[prepmaster]

And they didn't get that way by being jobbed out in other characters' adaptations. This stuff doesn't come out of nowhere. Mr Freeze was considered a poorly made character until the DCAU.

I don't think all characters were given depth only by an animated show. If there is anything, animated show just improve on the characters. Mr.Freeze still has a typical backstory of past trauma of losing his wife to a disease.

[Dr. Poison]

You mean Agent of Peace? That's fun, can't wait for that!

Yes! Thanks for calling that out.

[Dr. Poison]

Seems Connor's not writing it so now I can see why a WW villain is popping up.

Does Connor not like Wonder Woman's villains?

[SiegePerilous02]

WW's fans are right to be pissed off when her arch nemesis is presented to be more of a non factor than a credible threat. But at the same WW doesn't have a great rogues gallery and DC is giving her villains more exposure through their most popular mediums. Especially in animation. Sure, people could argue that WW & her rouges should be pushed independently instead of being put in Bat medium but companies choose the more profitable route.

This doesn't help Wonder Woman or her villains remotely. Getting iced by Jason friggin Todd in a throw away cameo does not boost the WW IP at all.
It's exposure that is pointless. Bat-fans aren't going to care either way, and it just pisses WW fans off.

[Gaius]

Does Connor not like Wonder Woman's villains?

Wouldn't know, just an observation on my part that the non-Connor/Palmiotti issues of Agent of Peace have done more with WW characters (villains/supporting characters) than theirs have.

WW's fans are right to be pissed off when her arch nemesis is presented to be more of a non factor than a credible threat. But at the same WW doesn't have a great rogues gallery and DC is giving her villains more exposure through their most popular mediums. Especially in animation. Sure, people could argue that WW & her rouges should be pushed independently instead of being put in Bat medium but companies choose the more profitable route.

Exposure doesn't mean anything if it's poorly done and treated like an afterthought. You don't see Joker or the other A/B list Batman characters, or even most of the lower-tier Batman villains, get treated like this for the most part.

This is just more of the same problem when any of WW's associated characters or iconography got represented in the DCAU.

[Agent Z]

I don't think all characters were given depth only by an animated show. If there is anything, animated show just improve on the characters. Mr.Freeze still has a typical backstory of past trauma of losing his wife to a disease.

That origin was created for the animated show and integrated into the comics because of its popularity not the other way around.

[Dr. Poison]

Wouldn't know, just an observation on my part that the non-Connor/Palmiotti issues of Agent of Peace have done more with WW characters (villains/supporting characters) than theirs have.

Thanks! That's odd considering how much development they gave Egg Fu in their Harley Quinn run. Maybe he's the only Wonder-rogue that they like. I thought with their love of obscure characters, they'd be mining Diana's rogues for characters we haven't seen in decades.

[prepmaster]

That origin was created for the animated show and integrated into the comics because of its popularity not the other way around.

It makes Mr.Freeze a more sympathetic character but at the same time boring because his goal is to save his wife. Other villains can have goals that can be changed.

[Agent Z]

It makes Mr.Freeze a more sympathetic character but at the same time boring because his goal is to save his wife.

The majority of the audience disagrees on that.

Other villains can have goals that can be changed.

Like who? The villains whose goals are changed are generally the ones whose goals weren't considered very interesting to begin with.