Don't cancel Grayson

[red winter]

I hope that this doesn't happen but I see the Nightwing Rebirth and it disappoints me greatly that Grayson might be cancelled. Once again DC crushes one of my favorite book first it was Planetary then it was Justice Society of America and now, it Grayson. Dick was great as a intelligence operative it gave the character incredible freedom and open the readers to parts of the DCU that many haven't seen so much potential gone down the drain.

[Maxpower00044]

I hope that this doesn't happen but I see the Nightwing Rebirth and it disappoints me greatly that Grayson might be cancelled. Once again DC crushes one of my favorite book first it was Planetary then it was Justice Society of America and now, it Grayson. Dick was great as a intelligence operative it gave the character incredible freedom and open the readers to parts of the DCU that many haven't seen so much potential gone down the drain.

Agreed. We can just hope now that they've realized this and it helps 'Nightwing' stay out of redundancy.

[JasonTodd428]

Agreed. We can just hope now that they've realized this and it helps 'Nightwing' stay out of redundancy.

All I want is for Nightwing to basically be Grayson just with a title change. This was not a concept that needed to be "fixed" so I hope they wised up and realized that. They do have a nasty habit of "fixing" what isn't broken though so I'm skeptical.

[RoyImpulse]

All I want is for Nightwing to basically be Grayson just with a title change. This was not a concept that needed to be "fixed" so I hope they wised up and realized that. They do have a nasty habit of "fixing" what isn't broken though so I'm skeptical.

I'm with you on this. But, I just don't see how it'll be this way from the writing to the drawing. Dick in a Nightwing suit is a different vibe than Dick in the Grayson outfit.

[Kusanagi]

Damn, is this really a possibility? Right now Grayson is the the one DC title on my pull list, and part of what brought me on was giving Dick something to do aside from being Batman lite. If they're going to ship him off to Gotham again I think I might be done, however if they keep the global spy feel, just with him in costume I could live with it.

[Deniz Camp]

Yeah, again, everything that made Grayson great can be brought over and applied to Nightwing, with an easier and clearer branding and a slightly more flexible (within the DCU, at least) status quo (one that allows for more seamless integration into the Titans, for instance).

The one thing that can't be brought is the friction generated from Grayson being a double agent within spyral but that was, by its very nature, a finite status quo, and we're already starting to see it degrade. Spyral as a semi-antagonist, though, should function quite nicely.

[Csjbo08]

I too find the cancelation of Grayson and the announcement of Nightwing: Rebirth troubling. This feels somewhat similar to how his time as DickBats was criminaly cut short and he ended up as Nightwing again. I certainly don't envy the creative team of Nightwing: Rebirth as they have a lot to live up to because the title it's replacing was one of the best comics DC had put out and arguably the best thing to happen to the character of Dick Grayson since the New Teen Titans.

[Kusanagi]

I'm a huge fan of Grayson, but I'm not against him becoming Nightwing again depending on the situation. If the new Nightwing is Grayson with a costume, bring it on. If the new Nightwing is more global super heroics I'll certainly give it a chance. If the new Nightwing is just Dick back in gotham or Bludhaven, or some other Gotham hellscape suburb I think I'll drop.

Now this is just imo, but I love Grayson on a big stage. Leader of the Teen Titans/Titans, part of Justice League, doing his spy thing. Great. But the street level thing, I'm not interested in. Dick sadly has no street level rogues gallery, no street level supporting cast. I just don't feel like signing up for another rebuild.

[Unfinishedsentenc]

Yeah, again, everything that made Grayson great can be brought over and applied to Nightwing, with an easier and clearer branding and a slightly more flexible (within the DCU, at least) status quo (one that allows for more seamless integration into the Titans, for instance).

The one thing that can't be brought is the friction generated from Grayson being a double agent within spyral but that was, by its very nature, a finite status quo, and we're already starting to see it degrade. Spyral as a semi-antagonist, though, should function quite nicely.

Agreed with everything you said. If Dick gets the same treatment he did in Grayson, but this time he's in the Nightwing costume, I won't mind that at all.

[MajorHoy]

He's already losing the artist and then the writers who made the book what it was, so what's the difference?

[Badou]

Yeah, again, everything that made Grayson great can be brought over and applied to Nightwing, with an easier and clearer branding and a slightly more flexible (within the DCU, at least) status quo (one that allows for more seamless integration into the Titans, for instance).

The one thing that can't be brought is the friction generated from Grayson being a double agent within spyral but that was, by its very nature, a finite status quo, and we're already starting to see it degrade. Spyral as a semi-antagonist, though, should function quite nicely.

Him running around in a superhero costume calling himself Nightwing is going to have a very different feel from what Grayson is currently. I don't think you can just combine the two and expect it to feel the same as what Grayson is at the moment. Him going back to Nightwing is going to change how the stories are constructed to even how they draw him.

[OWL45]

I hope that this doesn't happen but I see the Nightwing Rebirth and it disappoints me greatly that Grayson might be cancelled. Once again DC crushes one of my favorite book first it was Planetary then it was Justice Society of America and now, it Grayson. Dick was great as a intelligence operative it gave the character incredible freedom and open the readers to parts of the DCU that many haven't seen so much potential gone down the drain.

Agreed, Grayson gave Dick his own pocket of the DC Universe that was building around him. He actually had intresting supporting characters for example Helena, Tiger, Midnighter and new ones on the way like Grifter and King Faraday. He had cool tech and was depicted as being as mentally competent as he is physical. Their has never been a more impressive showing for the character than the time he has been a Spyral Agent. In Nightwing he faced sub par villians and matched wits against the Prankster. In Grayson he is having to go up against whole organizations and shaking hands with Maxwell Lord. I can't for the life of me understand what some are clamoring for him to go back to. I would argue that his showing as Batman wasn't even as strong because at the end Bruce saved the day. I can only hope they are as ambitious about advancing Dick in Nightwing: Rebirth as they have been in Grayson. If history has taught us anything though it's that as Nightwing he was treated as not important and got Batman's hand me downs. Tom King for the most part has been true to his word so hopefully the fact that Nightwing is one of the characters that was chosen to be double shipped is a good sign that he will get much better treatment.

[Aahz]

Wasn't the destruction of Spyral the Goal of this series right fronm the strat?

I've said it for a while, DC really had a potential goldmine w/ Grayson. The spy genre is something that can cross multi-media so well and something they could've established as a mainstay in their core line, or at least had the niche category on lockdown. Bond, Bourne, Jack Ryan, Mission Impossible... Grayson could've easily opened up more opportunities for video games, TV shows, etc than Nightwing.

But sofar Grayson delivered not one story line that is remotely as big as an Bond, Bourne, or Mission Impossible movie. (And most classic Batman vs. Ras Al Ghul Stories feel more like classic Bond movies than anything in Grayson.)

Agreed, Grayson gave Dick his own pocket of the DC Universe that was building around him.

Honestly I don't get why every one is talking of Dicks corner of the DCU and World Bilding. It was mostly guest appearances of Characters and organization that existed before Grayson will still exist after Grayson. And if you are just reading Grayson, and don't know these other (mostly pre flashpoint) stories, you have afterwards still no idea who these guys are.

[Badou]

Honestly I don't get why every one is talking of Dicks corner of the DCU and World Bilding. It was mostly guest appearances of Characters and organization that existed before Grayson will still exist after Grayson. And if you are just reading Grayson, and don't know these other (mostly pre flashpoint) stories, you have afterwards still no idea who these guys are.

Batman INC was pretty much an abandoned property and they were reformatting some of the ideas in that book to revolve around Dick's character. Then they were having that world expand to Wildstorm and other DC spy organizations that DC didn't know what to do with anymore. His character has never had so many options and directions. This is coming from someone that had problems with Spyral, but scraping it all and moving the character back to the Court of Owls feels a bit like regression, especially as the Court will never be Nightwing/Grayson's property but a Bruce/Batman one.

[Avi]

I still hope Matron will only take up the mantle or there will be the old Huntress and Matron. Dick and Helena formed such a good friendship, even if she is hunting him down now. His connections from Spyral should simply stay, as villains or as reluctant friends. At least Helena and Midnighter if no one else.

A simple name change is not the issue here, like many have pointed out. The new book simply has to keep away from the monster/villain-of-the-week scheme. That would be the ultimate regression of the character... again. The PoO could provide a direction that still involves the undercover theme and the globe trotting which is probably the only reason why I am alright with the Owls invading the book.

The best thing that could happen for me is that the creators stay but I won't stop the book just because they are not on it anymore. The new creators simply have to show that they want to advance the character as well.