View Poll Results: Should Lemire out Storm as bi/pan/gay for Yukio?

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  • 100% YES!!!!

    16 10.06%
  • Yes, but not for a while (let Iceman have the LGBT spotlight for now)

    5 3.14%
  • Yes, only if the result is bisexual/pansexual

    30 18.87%
  • Yes, only if the result is "above labels" (BUT confirming she slept with Yukio)

    13 8.18%
  • Yes, only if the result is "gay for Yukio" (i.e. otherwise str8)

    3 1.89%
  • I want this dangling plot point explored, even IF the conclusion is she's str8

    4 2.52%
  • Nah, I like the mystery...

    22 13.84%
  • NO!!!! She's str8. Period.

    60 37.74%
  • I reeeeeeally want this explored, just not under Lemire's pen

    6 3.77%
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    I voted no.
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    Oh heck no.

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    No. Why does this keep coming up? Just leave these established characters alone and tell good stories not using the gimmick of the week to sell titles. If there is such a clamor for LGBT then why not putthe spotlight on already ESTABLISHED lgbt characters like Karma. Stop suddenly changing characters like Iceman to try and drum up some interest in them. Just go tell a good story and focus on that not trying to make social justice statements

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    Quote Originally Posted by primetime21 View Post
    No. Why does this keep coming up? Just leave these established characters alone and tell good stories not using the gimmick of the week to sell titles. If there is such a clamor for LGBT then why not putthe spotlight on already ESTABLISHED lgbt characters like Karma. Stop suddenly changing characters like Iceman to try and drum up some interest in them. Just go tell a good story and focus on that not trying to make social justice statements
    Iceman had subtext to build on. As does Storm. Her relationship with Yukio was a hugely redefining moment for her, and Claremont wrote being with Yukio as her deepest heart's desire.

    I think Storm's relationships with male characters looses nothing if her relationship with Yukio is acknowledged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLAAMJR. View Post
    I voted no.
    I'm shocked!

    I actually think it should only be announced if Yukio goes public at Storm's funeral.

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    This again? Storm is straight.
    Last edited by rutog98; 02-22-2016 at 03:55 PM.

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    Leave it open....
    Some of us wait, some of us act.

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    Why does everyone find the need to label everything. I actually don't want this to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rutog98 View Post
    This again? Storm is straight.
    Let me just add to this that they need to stop allowing old, decrepit-looking men like Forge and Naze to kiss her. Mercy, I hope she and OML never share a kiss. They need to put her with a handsome man around her own age who is mature, intelligent, wise, and puts her second to no other person in terms of being his heart's number 1 desire. She's been attracted to T'challa, Arkon, Dr. Doom (he's got a messed up face, but a young body and he hides his horrible visage behind a mask...he'd be good-looking if not for the accident), Loki (okay, he's thousands of years old at least if not millions, but he has youthful looks), and Slipstream. (Yes, I left Logan of this list as I refuse to think of him as anything but a rebound guy for her after her divorce from T'challa.) They need to continue this trend of giving her good-looking men and have her leave those geezer-looking guys ALONE!

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    Seriously, the next time a geezer like Naze, Forge or OML tries to kiss her, she needs to fry his perverted butt and bring some sexual harrassment charges against him. No court is going to look at her (if Marvel would stop uglying her up with those horrible hairdos) and look at that fogey and think she'd want him. She'd win for sure. She shouldn't even tell anybody she got kissed by somebody like Naze. That's a darn shame and a great embarassment that she should deny happening in case anybody ever tries to brings it up. Its not as if there were any witnesses there to confirm it happened. Also, I don't want to see Storm bouncing around from one man to another.
    Last edited by rutog98; 02-22-2016 at 04:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VilotorioFabiano View Post
    I'm the opposite. I think he's been making Storm look foolish. First with the "let's hate Cyclops but copy his moves" card and then with the "I'm in the astral plane! please school me teen Jean!".

    He could write her much better.
    I thought her speech in 6 was awesome; and her leadership in the first arc was very good. Having her talk to Logan about taking out Sunfire reminded me of the same speech about Marrow. I'm not saying he's adding a definitive voice (like Wood has recently), but we've seen far more writers miss the mark than Lemire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anduinel View Post
    It's not that Victor's the one he's going to for advice and such. It's that Vic seems to be the only one he's come out to, and that's a little hard for me to swallow. For example, Storm might not be able to give him much in the way of pointers on planting his P-Flag, but they are friends and colleagues. The idea that he's kept this under wraps for 8 - 16 months (I keep forgetting how post-SW Marvel relates to the last big time-skip we were supposed to have) after admitting it to himself/his younger self and then only saying something to Vic is just clunky and kills momentum. I get that this was a double problem Lemire inherited from Bendis and the latest event, but it's still his job to make it work.
    I agree, but it's the nature of comics. People don't talk about major moments "off page".

    Quote Originally Posted by Anduinel View Post
    Vic didn't go lizard-like at puberty, he was born with an obvious mutation. His hometown was pretty cool with it overall. He only got sent to Xavier's because his folks were worried about rising anti-mutant sentiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumbo View Post
    I do not want to alter my favorite characters (changed their sexual orientation, gender, age, appearance, and so on). This is a serious reason to quit reading comics.
    It's not altering, it's expanding on what Claremont already wrote with Yukio.

    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    I'm not sure what's been 'good' about Lemire's handling of Iceman's sexuality. He only touched on it once in that painfully awkward for the reader scene where Bobby asks Anole for assistance. It's amazing how Bobby put exploring his sexuality on hold for 16 months just so the new writer could deal with it.
    Considering our LGBT solo series have included Loki (which never really acknowledged he was bi) and Mystique (which only once acknowledged she was bi in 25 issues), and Herc (who was bierased by Axel)... just actually acknowledging the character is gay in a way that makes sense is a huge +. It's miles ahead of a lot of writers at Marvel (sadly). It's not great writing, but it's good. Iceman talking about being gay with another gay mutant, makes sense. I liked it. I liked that Anole is more comfortable about it than his teacher; it's a nice twist to the teacher/pupil guidance we often get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    Iceman had subtext to build on. As does Storm. Her relationship with Yukio was a hugely redefining moment for her, and Claremont wrote being with Yukio as her deepest heart's desire.

    I think Storm's relationships with male characters looses nothing if her relationship with Yukio is acknowledged.
    Agreed. Storm, like Iceman, has history to be explored (how anyone can see Yukio/Storm under Claremont as "nothing but a friendship" is beyond me???)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mia View Post
    Too bloody late for that my friend. The horse has already left the barn. This is Marvel's new shtick, taking long established heroes and changing their sexual orientation in lieu of telling good stories, because the later requires dedication and hard work, while the former I can do between shots and flipping through porn sites. Besides when you have a big Daddy called Disney paying the bills and my dude bro pals in the editorial office making sure I keep getting work, why put out any effort?

    The X books have been on a slow descent for me ever since they brought on Grant Morrison and has continued on a down ward descent in subsequent years. I hardly recognize the SH team that I was introduced to and inspired by in the mid 90's. The thing with Bobby Drake is pretty much the last straw for me, and I'm done as a fan. As four of my top 10 SH are X-Men, I'll pick up a book if there's a substantive story line featuring them. Otherwise from now on I'll get my X-Men fix through my old Claremont, Nicieza and Lobdell trades.
    Claremont was the one who wrote Yukio/Storm, no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Project Initiative Cascada View Post
    No definitely not. Storm is a character who should have no label. She's neither straight nor bi. For she loves who she wants whether it be a boy, girl or alien. None of it matters to her.
    I put a "no labels" option in the poll, vote, vote, vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by primetime21 View Post
    No. Why does this keep coming up? Just leave these established characters alone and tell good stories not using the gimmick of the week to sell titles. If there is such a clamor for LGBT then why not putthe spotlight on already ESTABLISHED lgbt characters like Karma. Stop suddenly changing characters like Iceman to try and drum up some interest in them. Just go tell a good story and focus on that not trying to make social justice statements
    It's a fallacy to assume you can't tell a good story about a character being gay. Also, being gay isn't a "gimmick". #themoreyouknow
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    Iceman had subtext to build on. As does Storm. Her relationship with Yukio was a hugely redefining moment for her, and Claremont wrote being with Yukio as her deepest heart's desire.

    I think Storm's relationships with male characters looses nothing if her relationship with Yukio is acknowledged.

    No. People tried to make it that way just to fit a quota. Storm is straight and so is Iceman. History backs that up. Bendis used a gimmick to try and sell his bs book and it worked because of the sad state we are in especially in this day. It baffles me that fans continually fall for this stupid stuff. But not to derail anything....I voted No. Leave the whole thing alone and stop trying to force things. Focus on telling a good story for once without some current crazy gimmick to make headlines

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    Quote Originally Posted by primetime21 View Post
    No. People tried to make it that way just to fit a quota. Storm is straight and so is Iceman. History backs that up. Bendis used a gimmick to try and sell his bs book and it worked because of the sad state we are in especially in this day. It baffles me that fans continually fall for this stupid stuff. But not to derail anything....I voted No. Leave the whole thing alone and stop trying to force things. Focus on telling a good story for once without some current crazy gimmick to make headlines
    Does it? Claremont wrote Yukio/Storm as veeeeeeeery "unusual" for two purely str8 people. There is a lot of subtext going on, at-least that is what plenty of fans picked up over the years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    Iceman had subtext to build on. As does Storm. Her relationship with Yukio was a hugely redefining moment for her, and Claremont wrote being with Yukio as her deepest heart's desire.

    I think Storm's relationships with male characters looses nothing if her relationship with Yukio is acknowledged.
    Yukio and Storm are like sisters.

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