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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    A common theme with the old-school X-men is 1) X-men don't kill 2)The school teaches you to control your powers and make you a better person. 3) Keep a leash on Wolverine.
    Those were the days, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Claremont stated in X-Men Companion that Xavier's cruelty is equal to Magneto.
    Yeah, I don't see how that's even possible. I respect Claremont and all, but no...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bl00dwerK View Post
    Yeah, I don't see how that's even possible. I respect Claremont and all, but no...
    If you examine those early issues(pre-Claremont), you will see Xavier is a sanctimonious jerk. Even in Claremont's run, very early on, he had that Dark Xavier pop out from time to time(twice, in those early issues). While Xavier for the most part keeps that dark part of himself on a leash(whereas Magneto is more apt to use his to effect change), it's still there.

    As Storm said in TAS, "We all have dark sides to our souls."

    And Wolverine of all people said, "Speak for yourself."

    We may not want to admit it, but its true. That said, it matters more what you do, rather than what you would potentially do.
    Let the flames destroy all but that which is pure and true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bl00dwerK View Post
    Yeah, I don't see how that's even possible. I respect Claremont and all, but no...
    All the way back to Stan Lee's run not just Claremonts or Byrnes Hidden Years or Onslaught. Or X-Men vs. Micronauts rapest, xenocidal Xavier. Xavier's dark side (which is Xavier) has a death count >>> the Phoenix/D'Bari thing.

    Pretty scathing statement:

    "To me his character has a degree of cold dispassionate ruthlessness that is the equal of any super-villain" - Chris Claremont



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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    A common theme with the old-school X-men is 1) X-men don't kill 2)The school teaches you to control your powers and make you a better person. 3) Keep a leash on Wolverine.

    Wolverine was always a psycho who had no problem killing if it was convienient... Scott and him came to blows quite a few times with Scott trying to cool him down and not get killed in the process. Logan's Berserker rages were a core of the character. X-men were there to help him get past them.

    They have since flushed all that noble and heroic stuff. There were the occasional rare death... but for the most part they took their role as heroes pretty seriously trying to NOT give the public a reason fear them and live in peace...

    They don't care about that so much anymore
    Wolverine was as dangerous to his team as he was to his foes.
    Loon almost killed Storm.in X-men 215.


    Then almost did the same thing the very next issue.

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    Took down Psylocke on his way to Rogue.



    Almost kills her again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    Wolverine was as dangerous to his team as he was to his foes.
    Just like almost any member of team X-Men.
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    Poor Jean...



    Wolverine always seems to go after the Women on the team a lot harder than the boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazirai View Post
    Poor Jean...



    Wolverine always seems to go after the Women on the team a lot harder than the boys.
    And the amusing thing is that Wolverine doing that saved them, besides that it was supposed to be a mercy kill.

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    Wait, a tangent pertaining to Xavier's ethics and no mention of Cassie Nova and Matthew Malloy? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCyclopsRLZ View Post
    Wait, a tangent pertaining to Xavier's ethics and no mention of Cassie Nova and Matthew Malloy? Tsk, tsk, tsk.
    Well, Malloy is on Maria Hill and Tempus.

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    MOST of the X-men have killed. Even ones like Oreo, who ripped the heart out of Marrow to save many people (Marrow got better as she had "two hearts" (UGH)). We have to also remember that as we move further and further away from their 60's inception (where the comics code cock blocked most killing), more realistic options were put in. Logan's murder squad, was a realistic way to deal with Bastion. OR the X-men and mutant kind could have rolled over and wated for the great white Hope (heh) to fix it all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knives View Post
    Redemption I think at least that was the original idea or simply because X-mens wanted to help all mutants including dangerous.

    In modern times this idea lost power after numerous betrayals and after mutants were almost extinct more than one occasion which justified the creation of the X-Force.

    Even if it is a mutant capable of destroying the world initially X-mens try to help control his powers but if it does not work well we all know what comes next .

    These insane and gray days which we live.

    Yeah that "redemtion" worked so fecking well with Sabretooth in the 90s right? Psyclock go cutted, Angel got clawed up again, and Boomer was a mess mentally. All because Charlie X wanted to redeem Victor Creed, because Logan was off licking his wounds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCyclopsRLZ View Post
    Wait, a tangent pertaining to Xavier's ethics and no mention of Cassie Nova and Matthew Malloy? Tsk, tsk, tsk.
    Why would she be mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    All the way back to Stan Lee's run not just Claremonts or Byrnes Hidden Years or Onslaught. Or X-Men vs. Micronauts rapest, xenocidal Xavier. Xavier's dark side (which is Xavier) has a death count >>> the Phoenix/D'Bari thing.

    Pretty scathing statement:

    "To me his character has a degree of cold dispassionate ruthlessness that is the equal of any super-villain" - Chris Claremont



    What a treasure, thanks for sharing!
    Let the flames destroy all but that which is pure and true!

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