Which Origin For Wonder Woman Do You Like Most?

[Dr. Poison]

Over the decades, Diana has had 2 long-lasting origins: the clay origin and the Hippolyta/Zeus relationship origin. Which of these do you like best?

I, personally, prefer the clay origin as I find it to be more original and I think it sends a much stronger message of feminism.

[Last Son of Krypton]

I prefer the clay origin for its uniqueness.

[kochtgr]

What does "Here" means? You mean Hippolyta right? Please fix this!

Regarding the issue I definitely prefer Hippolyta & Zeus since this makes her a living being on her own and not something that can be turn to clay whenever the "gods" wish! Really the clay origin doesn't do any good to a legendary character like her since it makes her something like a "thing/tool" instead of a godly living being!

[Lex Luthor]

perfer the clay origin but i dont think she NEEDS to be brought to life by the gods

[Dr. Poison]

What does "Here" means? You mean Hippolyta right? Please fix this!

Regarding the issue I definitely prefer Hippolyta & Zeus since this makes her a living being on her own and not something that can be turn to clay whenever the "gods" wish! Really the clay origin doesn't do any good to a legendary character like her since it makes her something like a "thing/tool" instead of a godly living being!

Darn autocorrect. Moderators - can you please change the 2nd option in the poll to "The Hippolyta & Zeus Relationship"?

[Agniwolf]

i like the concept of "daughter of Hippolyta"

i dont care if the male progenitor is Zeus or whoever else, but i dont see removing man from the life equation as trully feminist in this day and age, it was perfect for the 40ies till late 70ies, by then women conquered many spaces in society in which they were abruptally excluded. so the thing now is to coherently make the integration by ending the remains of gender roles and seeing both men/women as just persons.

ww can very well defend both and fight trully for freedom and equality instead of being coerced to "choose sides"

[DrewHLMW]

I prefer the Zeus + Hippolyta origin. I wouldnt say her father needs to be Zeus but I just like her being an actual living character instead of a clay construct.

[Agent Z]

Clay. And no it doesn't make her a construct or any less alive than anyone else.

[Lex Luthor]

I prefer the Zeus + Hippolyta origin. I wouldnt say her father needs to be Zeus but I just like her being an actual living character instead of a clay construct.

She's always been a living character and never just a clay construct or a construct at all

[Tayswift]

i like the concept of "daughter of Hippolyta"

i dont care if the male progenitor is Zeus or whoever else, but i dont see removing man from the life equation as trully feminist in this day and age, it was perfect for the 40ies till late 70ies, by then women conquered many spaces in society in which they were abruptally excluded. so the thing now is to coherently make the integration by ending the remains of gender roles and seeing both men/women as just persons.

ww can very well defend both and fight trully for freedom and equality instead of being coerced to "choose sides"

clay origin is very well versed on modern feminism. it fits very well with "men shouldn't be everywhere and not everything is about men" that many women say today. so no men on wonder owman conception fits very well with modern feminism.

clay origin is for women, it is a beautiful story of motherhood. while the zeus and hipollyta doesn't even make sense and only serve to show how weak Hipolyta is.

clay origin for me.

[Agniwolf]

clay origin is very well versed on modern feminism. it fits very well with "men shouldn't be everywhere and not everything is about men" that many women say today. so no men on wonder owman conception fits very well with modern feminism.

clay origin is for women, it is a beautiful story of motherhood. while the zeus and hipollyta doesn't even make sense and only serve to show how weak Hipolyta is.

clay origin for me.

"not everything is about men", i can totally agree with that

"men shoudnt be everywere", for me, is the same as the apartheid where the colored should not go where the whites can go, it promotes exclusion which is something feminism fights ardently against

again im talking about a progenitor, not a father

[Lex Luthor]

"not everything is about men", i can totally agree with that

"men shoudnt be everywere", for me, is the same as the apartheid where the colored should not go where the whites can go, it promotes exclusion which is something feminism fights ardently against

again im talking about a progenitor, not a father

You can't compare apartheid to women empowerment tho, its not the same dynamic. No one is saying women empowerment and detailed relationships with women should exist to the detriment of men simply that they should exist and wonder woman was meant to showcase this type of message in the purest and most refreshing way possible


And the thing is this doesn't even promote "equality", even if I don't think that's the angle the character should be taken in, since Zeus is the person that gives her the power while hippolyta was an incompotent mother and leader within this narrative so its not equal at all since hippolyta doesn't even contribute to her power

[Agniwolf]

You can't compare apartheid to women empowerment tho, its not the same dynamic. No one is saying women empowerment and detailed relationships with women should exist to the detriment of men simply that they should exist and wonder woman was meant to showcase this type of message in the purest and most refreshing way possible

this is what i meant when i agreed with the "not everything is about men"

my problem is only and exclusively with the exclusion of them in the equation of life. im not even saying the guy should have whatever influence in her life. i will edit this post later the explain my argument in more detail

so take for example the rome of the gladiator era "circus and bread"

there were cases when a family needed a heir, but they only had a daughter to inherit their whealth, by marriage this whealt would pass to the husband. the solution? go to the arena, see whoever is the champion of that series and buy him to impregnate the daughter so thatn not only they had a legitimate heir, but also someone which champion genes would be bought within the family (genetics by philosophy is really old, but the science is recent)

so imagine hippolyta, after a long time ruling had the desire to have a daughter, she would come to mens world and search for a "worthy men" (kinda like byfrost sugested, but a little diferent)

lets say she would go see the olimpics and there she saw an golden medalist that fit her tastes in appearance, height and strenght, she would seduce him and by the morning would go back to themyscera. so we get a wonder woman that had no male influence whatsoever

[Doctor Bifrost]

One I've never seen:

Hippolyta is sent by the goddesses on a solo mission to Man's World. While there, she has a brief but loving affair with a human man. He is an interesting, decent person, but not wildly exceptional or a deity. (Let's say: former soldier. Missing an arm. Runs a homeless shelter.)

When she returns to Themyscira, she's pregnant. When Diana is born, the goddesses grant the infant their blessings. (Maybe this is something they had in mind all along. Maybe not.)

By the time Diana sojourns to Man's World and becomes Wonder Woman, her father has died. But she has a few human relatives. (They can help connect her to the human world.)

[Lex Luthor]

this is what i meant when i agreed with the "not everything is about men"

my problem is only and exclusively with the exclusion of them in the equation of life. im not even saying the guy should have whatever influence in her life. i will edit this post later the explain my argument in more detail

whats wrong with men not being involved in wonder woman's birth anyway?