Crisis on Infinite Earths or Flashpoint

[brandnewfan]

Slightly off topic, but I've tried a few times to read COIE and I just *cannot* get into it, and end up stopping. Anyone else have this problem? Is it just me?

[mr_crisp]

This.

Gotta love the idea of 'Barry's mom didn't die.... so the kents never got Kal-el's rocket and Joe Chill killed Bruce instead of Thomas....

Didn't you know that it was Barry's mom who threw tire spikes into the middle of the road which caused the Kent's tire to blowout in front of the spot where Kal's rocket crashed. She was also the one who sent Joe Chill to kill the Waynes.

[GlennSimpson]

Didn't you know that it was Barry's mom who threw tire spikes into the middle of the road which caused the Kent's tire to blowout in front of the spot where Kal's rocket crashed. She was also the one who sent Joe Chill to kill the Waynes.

This is a pretty common trope with time-travel tales. I doubt having Prof X killed would have resulted in the Age of Apocalypse. People's whole personalities changed.

I think the explanation is that time-travel, being unnatural in and of itself, causes changes beyond just what the traveler himself does. Reality literally blinks and shifts.

[Buried Alien]

This.

Gotta love the idea of 'Barry's mom didn't die.... so the kents never got Kal-el's rocket and Joe Chill killed Bruce instead of Thomas....

The biggest logical breakdown is that any way you look at it, Nora's death postdated the arrival of Kal-El's rocket and the murder of the Waynes. Nora's death could very well have affected events AFTER itself, but not before.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[BohemiaDrinker]

The biggest logical breakdown is that any way you look at it, Nora's death postdated the arrival of Kal-El's rocket and the murder of the Waynes. Nora's death could very well have affected events AFTER itself, but not before.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Well, if we are to be really technical about that, Thawne is also a time traveler, and we don't know if after killing Nora, he went further in the past and did more stuff, stuff that could have been prevented/altered by him having been stopped.

[phantom1592]

Slightly off topic, but I've tried a few times to read COIE and I just *cannot* get into it, and end up stopping. Anyone else have this problem? Is it just me?

I finished it, but there was a LOT of padding and filler in there that I had to sludge through.

One of the big issues with me were all the Z-list characters that weren't that popular in the 80's and are darn near forgotten in the 90's. There's a push to care about all the infinite earths... but really, outside of earth 1 and 2, I never cared about any of them.

So yeah... a huge omnibus of people I don't care about dying? It was hard to get through. It still had some great moments and some really important stuff like Flash and Supergirl.... but overall the older the book gets, the less it holds up.

It REALLY meant something when it came out though.

[mr_crisp]

Slightly off topic, but I've tried a few times to read COIE and I just *cannot* get into it, and end up stopping. Anyone else have this problem? Is it just me?

It's not just you. I read it and I get bored with the constant non-endings. You think it's going to be over then something else comes along. It suffers from ending fatigue.

[Kingcrimsonprog]

Seems to me that the New 52 was supposed to start after Final Crisis; then they had to wait for a while, so they did it later randomly after Flashpoint just for timing reasons. Flashpoint is awesome but its much less of a last-ever-story.