How Many Have Been Returned To Life After The Last Incursion In ANAD?

[jackolover]

Franklin's powers, by default, allow him to resurrect anyone. They're not fake or simulations. I would wager more a few of the resurrected were simply because Reed had no idea they'd died, which would be several of the ones you mentioned. Remember, those Last Days were very hectic for everyone. But if any of the resurrected were being held together like the Battleworld versions, then that also would apply to all of reality, which doesn't seem to be the case. I can't see any reason to think Steve or Tony would be different from anything else Reed and Franklin made.

Karnak returned before Secret Wars, we saw him fight his way out of whatever that afterlife he was in was. But this rebuilt 616 isn't a world where Reed was never around, just one where he's not around right now. They've made references to Reed, Sue, Franklin, and Valeria.

If we assume the Beyonders did create the 616 in total at the beginning, and, Franklyn has the powers of the Beyonders, then it's possible the ANAD is as real as the 616 ever was. Then the only concern becomes, how does the ANAD develope without Reed and the FF? Also, Franklin did recreate what he thought was the heroes in Heroes Reborn, and they were nothing like the originals. Somehow, he has got closer this time in the ANAD, but who knows how close?

[jackolover]

they aren't synthetic. They are the people from the 616 except they are not in the 616 anymore because it was destroyed. Reed Richards use the MM power to restore the universe, and Black Panther used the gem to bring everything back to the state of NA #1 minus the incursions.

The way it was stated, Franklin made the ANAD and Reed threw it into the Multiverse, placing it there. Molecule Man supplied the Beyonders powers, so Franklin could have made anything, presumably, the way he liked it.

[jackolover]

lol.

I guess a lot of people are synthetic since they got blown up in the first Secret Wars and got brought back in those healing tubes.

A lot of the super humans yes, from SWI were restored. Not all the citizens of Earth though. The ones restored in SWI was a tiny fraction of the ones not restored.

[jackolover]

Do they really? Has anyone other than Black Panther actually referenced them? I suppose Johnny and Ben would remember too, since they were recreated before the rest of the Universe. But has anyone other than the people that actually survived all of Time Runs Out and Secret Wars, referenced them?

As I understand it, Miles Morales for instance, apparently doesn't remember?

Logically, I'd say nobody except the very select few would know or remember.


Let's see...

Mr. Fantastic
Invisible Woman
Human Torch
The Thing
Dr. Doom
Molecule Man
Black Panther
Silver Surfer
Dawn Greenwood

And... Well, I honestly don't know anybody else. Just about everyone else died either in TrO or the final battle in SW - and the only ones who were recreated before the rest of the Universe were the FF.

There was talk by the creators, like : "how well do you remember 8 months ago?". So people will just move on from the Incursions and push that incident away while they are caught up with living, but some vague flags of light would be their memory, and then ANAD was all get up and go. Roberta Mendez in SM2099 could hardly remember much except it had something to do with Reed Richards doing something.

Plus Franklin just reducing the trauma in everyone's minds. He is capable of doing that also.

[Beaubier]

Magneto killed Sugar Man and died at the end of his solo. But he's back, as is Sugar Man.

[jackolover]

Collector, at least existed, and had not started Contest of Champions. Then he made a bet with his brother after they found this substance of reality was very precious.

Tony Stark said he was in space for a few months, so when he was back at first in ANAD his company was all good. (After returning from space he had to sell Stark Towers).

Peter Parker still had Parker Industries when ANAD started, but it was purely in America, and after 8 months PI had become world wide, and just purchased existing buildings.

Spider Woman met and had sex with someone as soon as she reappeared in ANAD, and just now gave birth recently.

Bucky was Winter Soldier, who was out in Space being Man on the Wall, but needed to return to Earth for something, and found out something was terribly wrong and investigated it, getting captured in Pleasant Hill.

Somehow, SPIDERMAN 2099 had destroyed his future, and couldn't figure out what caused it, even though he had foiled Stone in the present.

Rick Jones saw some things were wrong and at some point, a cosmic cube was exposed by the Whisperer, Rick Jones, and, confronting SHIELD, Steve Rogers had witnessed the cosmic cube being destroyed, he thought, whereas in fact he didn't, and was captured recently in Pleasant Hill. Rick Jones was somehow in a position to discover this when ANAD started. Makes you wonder who this duplicate Maria Hill is and why she has this compulsion to use Kubik to hide villains away?

Wanda was working with the Avengers when ANAD started, being present in Rage of Ultron, but subsequently stopped being in teams like UA. The teams must have swapped members in those early days of ANAD.

Odinson must have been free as ANAD started, but subsequently got captured, put in prison, and with Asgard Space, placed in some kind of huge vessel.

Electro was a free villain as ANAD started, but something happened and he stole a dimensional device to go to many dimensions and find other Electros to hunt for Silver for some reason, while other villains were rounded up for Pleasant Hill. No free villains have dared to expose their whereabouts since this happened.

Deadpool was replaced by one of his enemies and now funds the Uncanny Avengers. The real Deadpool was in existence as ANAD opened, but he disappeared.

The Mighty Avengers and Black Panther existed as separate entities as ANAD opened. Black Panther at least had instigated that he return to Wakanda at a time the teens were running a test, and showed them Alpha Flight Space Station launching, supposedly a scheme he was a part of. Later, Panther became part of the Mighty Avengers remnants to change his role and theirs, to do this noble thing of changing the future. Something must have made Panther and the others think this was neccesary, and to inform the world they were doing it.

AS ANAD opened, some modern tech guy, (similar to those transported to past in Squirrel girl) from ANAD, time travelled to 1872 and was doing something in Timely, and Red Wolf disrupted his device jumping Red to ANAD. Something must have been going on in ANAD this tech guy had to leave ANAD?

As ANAD opened, mutants got the m-pox and were getting sick, so the X-Men had to find a safe place that didn't have the Terrigen mist, called X-Haven.

Are there any other clues how ANAD looked day one?

[Tycon]

I am not aware the 616 was destroyed in total, citizens and all. That could just be my knowledge of these things. I thought on previous occasions, just the heroes were destroyed and returned. In Secret Wars, this is removing the whole Multiverse from existence, all citizens of the planet Earth, everything. Has this really been done before?

And not that the FF never existed in the ANAD, just that Reed and the FF are not here since ANAD started. So ANAD is developing without them now in the last 8 months. Remember what happened to the world simply removing Hank Pym in Age of Ultron? Imagine what ANAD will change to without the FF around?

The world is going on as if they "sacrificed" themselves. Sort of like saying how the 616 would go on when Captain America "died" at the end of Civil War. The end of Secret Wars was powerful because even though the FF are "gone", their contributions and sacrifices are literally all of the ANAD universe. Without Marvel's First Family, everyone would be slaving at the totalitarian empire of Doctor Doom.

[TickTock]

If we assume the Beyonders did create the 616 in total at the beginning, and, Franklyn has the powers of the Beyonders, then it's possible the ANAD is as real as the 616 ever was. Then the only concern becomes, how does the ANAD develope without Reed and the FF? Also, Franklin did recreate what he thought was the heroes in Heroes Reborn, and they were nothing like the originals. Somehow, he has got closer this time in the ANAD, but who knows how close?

This was the entire point of it being Reed AND Franklin creating the stuff. Franklin's powers with Reed's guidance, mixed in with Molecule Man's boost. Preventing another Heroes Reborn.

[Joe Acro]

Black Panther is from the old MU, having travelled to the past of the ANAD MU. Is he "fake"?

Kamala Khan's very first words in her rebooted book. "Eight months ago, the world almost ended... and then it only got more awesome."

Not only do people remember, but it's also implied that reality resumed from almost the exact moment the incursion happened.

It's not entirely clear what Black Panther accomplished. We know he arrived in the new universe at the point when the incursions would have started to interact with the 616. But there was no duplicate Panther there, so clearly Reed left a hole for Panther to occupy. If we pick up eight months from that point, there should be no incursions at all. But this seems at odds with Kamala and the Squadron Supreme referencing events from the incursions, or there even being stragglers from other Earths at all. It's possible a separate cataclysmic (but not universe-destroying) event happened about eight months ago as well, and that's what Kamala is referencing, but that doesn't explain the Squadron. And then there's the matter of how other realities survived, such as the various alternate Earths we see in the Spider titles, which seem to act like all of the previous reality was restored exactly as it was, minus the Ultimate universe.

As a whole, the line doesn't gel.

[jackolover]

The world is going on as if they "sacrificed" themselves. Sort of like saying how the 616 would go on when Captain America "died" at the end of Civil War. The end of Secret Wars was powerful because even though the FF are "gone", their contributions and sacrifices are literally all of the ANAD universe. Without Marvel's First Family, everyone would be slaving at the totalitarian empire of Doctor Doom.

At least they replaced Cap with Bucky, so there wasn't a vacuum at the time. With ANAD there is a vacuum with Reed and the FF missing, and that could be dangerous.

[kevlon]

Terrax. Killed by the phoenix. Raised again for the Drax series.

[SuperiorIronman]

It's not entirely clear what Black Panther accomplished. We know he arrived in the new universe at the point when the incursions would have started to interact with the 616. But there was no duplicate Panther there, so clearly Reed left a hole for Panther to occupy. If we pick up eight months from that point, there should be no incursions at all. But this seems at odds with Kamala and the Squadron Supreme referencing events from the incursions, or there even being stragglers from other Earths at all. It's possible a separate cataclysmic (but not universe-destroying) event happened about eight months ago as well, and that's what Kamala is referencing, but that doesn't explain the Squadron. And then there's the matter of how other realities survived, such as the various alternate Earths we see in the Spider titles, which seem to act like all of the previous reality was restored exactly as it was, minus the Ultimate universe.

As a whole, the line doesn't gel.

When Reed became "God" he essentially reverted everything to just prior before the incursions. The incursions still happened, just everyone is suddenly back with little to no understanding of how and why. Now with infinite realities to rebuild, Reed likely missed some or simply hadn't gotten to them yet so some realities are still missing (Spider Uk's, Doctor Spectrum's, etc etc). The incursions still happened, just that everyone is alive again. This is why SHIELD even made note of it. The final incursion happened and then everything was fine. Nobody knows how everything was back to normal save for Reed.

T'challa using the time gem was also a back up plan in case Reed failed to stop the incursions. If he could return everything prior to the incursions but not stop them entirely he would need someone who knew of them to inform everyone early and prepare just in case the problem persisted. Thus the significance of him returning to the site of the first one. He could check if Reed succeeded. T'challa was also likely merged with his past self by "God" Reed so there wouldn't be two Panthers.

[strathcona]

Both D-man and Doctor Druid were brought back to life with the recreation of the universe.

[Joe Acro]

When Reed became "God" he essentially reverted everything to just prior before the incursions. The incursions still happened, just everyone is suddenly back with little to no understanding of how and why. Now with infinite realities to rebuild, Reed likely missed some or simply hadn't gotten to them yet so some realities are still missing (Spider Uk's, Doctor Spectrum's, etc etc). The incursions still happened, just that everyone is alive again. This is why SHIELD even made note of it. The final incursion happened and then everything was fine. Nobody knows how everything was back to normal save for Reed.

T'challa using the time gem was also a back up plan in case Reed failed to stop the incursions. If he could return everything prior to the incursions but not stop them entirely he would need someone who knew of them to inform everyone early and prepare just in case the problem persisted. Thus the significance of him returning to the site of the first one. He could check if Reed succeeded. T'challa was also likely merged with his past self by "God" Reed so there wouldn't be two Panthers.

We both say Reed allowed Panther to be where he was, but of course that's wrong. Molecule Man, probably. Reed couldn't have reshaped the universe because Ben is still Thing. And Miles survived because he gave MM a burger.

My point essentially is that if Panther didn't encounter the incursion in the same place at the same time, then what sequence of events do these people remember? Do they remember people dying? Were there still comflicts between these heroes and the Builders? Or the Beyonders?

[ETMike1988]

Both D-man and Doctor Druid were brought back to life with the recreation of the universe.

No... D-Man was brought back to life BEFORE the final incursion!
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