Batman vs Marvel's B-list Street Levelers

[HulkSmash666]

Marvel's B-list street level heroes and villains have teamed up to take down Batman.

Batman is in Gotham. He has all his Gotham based resources (Batcave, Bat-vehicles), but only Alfred as an ally, and only as an information/tech support, no active involvement outside the Batcave.

Batman starts with his normal weapons and equipment in his utility belt, and if he needs more resources then he has to break contact and request an air-drop from Alfred.

All Batman's opponents have their standard powers, weapons and equipment.

Batman's opponents start on the outskirts of Gotham and have 24 hours to prepare. Batman has no prep-time initially, and if he survives the first contact he is then allowed to prepare for a counter-attack.

Two separate rounds. Marvel B-List street level HEROES first, then VILLAINS. Batman is fully recovered for each round.


Batman's opponents are:

HEROES

Black Widow
Hawkeye
Moon Knight
Black Cat
The Shroud
Prowler
Night Thrasher (Dwayne Taylor)
X-Cutioner
Kazar and Zabu
Echo (Maya Lopez)


VILLAINS

Solo
Crossfire
Razor-Fist
Chameleon
Zaran The Weapons Master
Batroc
Mr X
Silver Samurai (Keniuchio Harada)
Cutthroat
King Cobra


How does Batman fare in both these rounds?

[Pendaran]

Does he know these people are coming for him?

[StupidMoniker]

Some of those people individually are out of Batman's league. Also, Black Cat has luck powers which are just a license to write your own ending.

[HulkSmash666]

Does he know these people are coming for him?

Not initially. He'll know when they attack, then it's all up to him to prepare/counter attack. So his opponents have one chance to get the drop on him, then it's game on. Batman has the option of fighting them head on or retreating and regrouping with a plan of attack, utilizing his Bat-Cave arsenal (no JLA trophy cabinat stuff, just his standard gear).

[HulkSmash666]

Some of those people individually are out of Batman's league. Also, Black Cat has luck powers which are just a license to write your own ending.

Who do you think is individually out of Batman's league?

I think individually he outclasses everyone on here in most areas. Some can surpass him in maybe one or two areas, but all rounded off, his whole is greater than theirs individually.

On the heroes team?

Bats is stronger than all, with only X-Cutioner (armor), Kazar and Moon Knight being close to him, maybe even having a slight edge (Moon Knight's on again/off again Moon-enhanced strength, and X-Cutioner's armor boosting him to around Class 2).

Speed? Kazar, Black Cat and Widow are the only ones close to him, but even then Bats still edges them out.

Endurance? Widow, Moon Knight, Kazar are as close to CBPH as they come, but Bruce still has them edged out here.

Intelligence/Strategy? Bats smokes them all. None of them are in Bats league here.

Weapons? X-Cutioner, Hawkeye, Widow, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher and Prowler all have pretty sweet gadgets and weaponry, but they all wish they had the gadgets and weapons Bats has (well Hawkeye has some pretty sweet trick-arrows that could give Bats some problems, and has him beat in range), plus Bruce is rocking a Bat-mobile and Bat-wing if he's feeling outgunned.

Fighting skill? Bats has them all beat in this area. Widow's good, and Echo has photographic reflexes, ala Taskmaster (but without as many styles/skills), so theoretically she could copy his styles, but Bats can still take her. Thrasher, Kazar and Moon Knight are all Olympic-level athletes with a high degree of training, but none of them are MASTERS of a fighting style. Batman is a master of multiple styles. There's nothing they can do that Batman hasn't seen or defeated before.

Agility/Stealth? Again, the only ones to come close to Bats here are Widow, The Shroud, Black Cat and Kazar. Again, Bats reigns supreme.

Wildcards? The Shroud can control Darkforce energy and create shapes out of shadows. Batman's faced Shadow Thief before. Nothing he hasn't seen and dealt with before. Black Cat's luck powers are tricky to get around. But luck powers don't make Felecia unbeatable. Just challenging. X-Cutioner has some ridiculous armor and some pretty potent weapons, and that energy staff is quite powerful, but again, nothing Batman hasn't faced before and defeated. X-Cutioner is similar to Deathstroke in terms of weapons and equipment, only he hasn't got Slade's physical prowess and skill, so Bats ought to take him down.

Bats is outnumbered and his opponents have first crack at him, but Bats has home ground advantage, his Bat-cave resources (suits, vehicles) and Alfred coordinating via Batcomputer and satellite.

[HulkSmash666]

The Villains?

Solo - Guy's only edge is he can teleport and has high-end gun skills. Bats is faster, stronger, has more versatility and is a better H2H fighter. And a hell of a lot smarter.

Crossfire - Another gun fighter with sick aim, but he's no Deadshot. Crossfire's gimmick is he's got a cybernetic eye that can access computer systems as well as provide enhanced optical capabilities. Bats or Alfred should be able to hack the cybernetic eye, if not, Bats has the skills to take him out anyway. As I said, he's no Deadshot.

Razor-Fist - Nasty fighter, but not quite on Bats level of skill. Gas pellet or smoke bomb, grapple claw, taser......Basically Bats doesn't even need to engage Razor-Fist directly to beat him, but even if he did engage in H2H Bats would still make short work of him.

Chameleon - This one will test Bats mentally more than physically. Chameleon can't really get close to Bats, though. Not without a bit of pre-planning. Bats is gonna be wary of any strangers approaching him on a rooftop, for example. Chameleon would be better off attacking Bats WITHOUT the others on his team. He's pretty much useless in a head on offensive.

Zaran The Weapons Master - Zaran is good enough to put up a fight, but Bats has better weapons. Zaran is old-school in his weapons choices, while Bats is cutting edge. Tasers and gas-pellets should make short work of Zaran.

Batroc - Martial arts wise, Batroc is good enough to hang with Bats for a while, but he's not taking Bats on in a fist fight. He's facing a fully armed Bats who isn't fucking around. He goes the way of Zaran and tased or gassed into unconsciousness.

Mr X - Bats would be tested here. If he was to fight X straight up, no gadgets or weapons, then Mr X would win. His telepathy is hard to get around for someone like Bruce. He has no beserker rage or insanity to hinder X's telepathic body reading. Even using his weapons and gadgets would be hard, as X would "see" it coming, so Bats would have to go for AOE attacks and hope to tag X with the blasts. Again, it might not be enough. X is fast. Fast enough to completely school Taskmaster, and is a low-end bullet timer. Add in the fact Mr X has mastered every single fighting style on Earth, as well as some intergalactic styles (Kree, Shi'ar), and Bats is in for one hell of a fight.

Silver Samurai (Keniuchio Harada) - The only area SS challenges Bats here is in sword-fighting, and even then Bats is one of his worlds best swordsmen. I think SS might edge Bats in this area, but for every other aspect of the martial arts, Bats stomps. Plus Bats has the ranged game. Sonics, tasers and gas-bombs would shut SS down pretty quickly.

Cutthroat - Bats has him beat in every area. Even thrown weapons, which is Cutthroat's speciality, Bats has him beat. Batarang to the face for the win.

King Cobra - Cobra's suit gives him enhanced speed and strength, but nothing so far above Bats that he can't deal with it. Up close, with Bats under attack from all sides, Cobra could be that one opponent that tips the fight into "too-much-for-Bats-to-handle" territory. One on one, Bats would take him out pretty easily with his gadgets and weapons, but with them all going at Bats at once, Cobra's got the speed and nastiness to his attacks that he could take Bats down.

[StupidMoniker]

Who do you think is individually out of Batman's league?

The Shroud, Mr. X, and possibly Black Cat, depending on how her luck powers are operating today (for example, if all of his explosives detonate inside his utility belt, or if he is flying the Bat plane and it suddenly crashes and the canopy won't open). Saying he has faced Shadow Thief is meaningless. He has faced Flash, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern, but if he was put in a rumble against Northstar, Valkyrie, and Nova, I don't see him winning. He isn't beating the bullet-timer that also has combat precog either.

[Jonathan]

As for the Cap vs Marvel version, theres just too many skilled opponents on either team for him to win.

[Pendaran]

He isn't beating the bullet-timer that also has combat precog either.

If you mean Mr X, dude doesn't particularly need bullet time to have done what he did with Black Widow for instance, his precog reflex mirror whatever can cover him for putting his swords where she's going to shoot before she can adjust just fine.

[Carabas]

Who do you think is individually out of Batman's league?

I think individually he outclasses everyone on here in most areas. Some can surpass him in maybe one or two areas, but all rounded off, his whole is greater than theirs individually.

On the heroes team?

Bats is stronger than all, with only X-Cutioner (armor), Kazar and Moon Knight being close to him, maybe even having a slight edge (Moon Knight's on again/off again Moon-enhanced strength, and X-Cutioner's armor boosting him to around Class 2).

Speed? Kazar, Black Cat and Widow are the only ones close to him, but even then Bats still edges them out.

Endurance? Widow, Moon Knight, Kazar are as close to CBPH as they come, but Bruce still has them edged out here.

Intelligence/Strategy? Bats smokes them all. None of them are in Bats league here.

Weapons? X-Cutioner, Hawkeye, Widow, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher and Prowler all have pretty sweet gadgets and weaponry, but they all wish they had the gadgets and weapons Bats has (well Hawkeye has some pretty sweet trick-arrows that could give Bats some problems, and has him beat in range), plus Bruce is rocking a Bat-mobile and Bat-wing if he's feeling outgunned.

Fighting skill? Bats has them all beat in this area. Widow's good, and Echo has photographic reflexes, ala Taskmaster (but without as many styles/skills), so theoretically she could copy his styles, but Bats can still take her. Thrasher, Kazar and Moon Knight are all Olympic-level athletes with a high degree of training, but none of them are MASTERS of a fighting style. Batman is a master of multiple styles. There's nothing they can do that Batman hasn't seen or defeated before.

Agility/Stealth? Again, the only ones to come close to Bats here are Widow, The Shroud, Black Cat and Kazar. Again, Bats reigns supreme.

Wildcards? The Shroud can control Darkforce energy and create shapes out of shadows. Batman's faced Shadow Thief before. Nothing he hasn't seen and dealt with before. Black Cat's luck powers are tricky to get around. But luck powers don't make Felecia unbeatable. Just challenging. X-Cutioner has some ridiculous armor and some pretty potent weapons, and that energy staff is quite powerful, but again, nothing Batman hasn't faced before and defeated. X-Cutioner is similar to Deathstroke in terms of weapons and equipment, only he hasn't got Slade's physical prowess and skill, so Bats ought to take him down.

Bats is outnumbered and his opponents have first crack at him, but Bats has home ground advantage, his Bat-cave resources (suits, vehicles) and Alfred coordinating via Batcomputer and satellite.

But aren't they all coming for Batman together? H may take them if he fights them one by one, but there's no way he can stand up to either group if they at all coordinate their attacks.

[HulkSmash666]

The Shroud, Mr. X, and possibly Black Cat, depending on how her luck powers are operating today (for example, if all of his explosives detonate inside his utility belt, or if he is flying the Bat plane and it suddenly crashes and the canopy won't open). Saying he has faced Shadow Thief is meaningless. He has faced Flash, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern, but if he was put in a rumble against Northstar, Valkyrie, and Nova, I don't see him winning. He isn't beating the bullet-timer that also has combat precog either.

There's a hell of a difference between fighting Shadow Thief and guys like Flash, Green Lantern and Wonder Woman. So adding in Northstar, Valkyrie and Nova is just pointless. Shadow Thief has similar powers to The Shroud, only I dare say more potent than Shroud. And Batman has faced and defeated Shadow Thief. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do the same with The Shroud.

Black Cat's luck powers don't work on a conscious level, like Longshot or Domino, who have a somewhat limited control over probabilities in their area. Cat's luck powers are more situational and circumstantial, meaning her luck powers give circumstances and probablities a little nudge i her favor. It's like an aura around her that lets shit fall into place for her. It's not like she can look at the Batplane and think "crash" and it crashes.

At least, that's the power levels she's been operating at in the last 5-10 years.

[HulkSmash666]

But aren't they all coming for Batman together? H may take them if he fights them one by one, but there's no way he can stand up to either group if they at all coordinate their attacks.

Yes, they are all coming at Batman together. And they have one shot to do it before Bats stealth evades them and starts going to work on them. None of them have the stealth to get the drop on Bats. Hawkeye can try loosing arrows from range, but Bats has shown he can snatch arrows out of the air from close range, let alone from a distance. And if he's good enough to catch them in mid-air, he's good enough to jump clear from any AoE arrows, too. Bats has been avoiding and taking out snipers for years, so getting sniped from range isn't going to work either.

[Postmania]

Not sure what the point of luck heroes are in rumbles. Too much could happen.

[HulkSmash666]

Not sure what the point of luck heroes are in rumbles. Too much could happen.

I agree, luck powers are shit for rumbles. But my thinking is there's different levels of potency.

There's probability altering, ala what Scarlet Witch does with her mutant hex powers, but it's highly unstable and hard to control. Then there's the psionic manipulation of probabilties, meaning consciously altering a probability field, which is what Domino does (thunder clouds above her, she can boost the chances of it firing off a lightning bolt. Or she can fire a bullet into the air from behind cover, alter the probability and it lands on the guy who's hiding behind cover on the battlefield).

Longshot has the same ability to a degree, but his is potent when it comes to his general area. Like his aura is lucky. He can walk off the ledge of a building and it's like the universe reacts to save his life. An explosion goes off in a room, shrapnel will hit everywhere in the room except where he's standing.

Black Cat's luck powers (as of recent years) are more along the lines of cameras/security systems blacking out/malfunctioning, bad luck happening to others around her, while things elegantly fall into place for her. It's not something she can actually control.

[big_adventure]

I agree, luck powers are shit for rumbles. But my thinking is there's different levels of potency.

There's probability altering, ala what Scarlet Witch does with her mutant hex powers, but it's highly unstable and hard to control. Then there's the psionic manipulation of probabilties, meaning consciously altering a probability field, which is what Domino does (thunder clouds above her, she can boost the chances of it firing off a lightning bolt. Or she can fire a bullet into the air from behind cover, alter the probability and it lands on the guy who's hiding behind cover on the battlefield).

Longshot has the same ability to a degree, but his is potent when it comes to his general area. Like his aura is lucky. He can walk off the ledge of a building and it's like the universe reacts to save his life. An explosion goes off in a room, shrapnel will hit everywhere in the room except where he's standing.

Black Cat's luck powers (as of recent years) are more along the lines of cameras/security systems blacking out/malfunctioning, bad luck happening to others around her, while things elegantly fall into place for her. It's not something she can actually control.

He powers also do things like make vehicles used against her malfunction, cause guns to misfire, cause people to drop hand weapons, etc. All of those things would be a serious problem for Bruce.