Zack Snyder on ‘Man of Steel’ Death Toll: “What About ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’?”

[The S0/\/\@7ic Si/\/\[]Dl370n]

I went, really? And I said, well, what about [‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’]? In ‘Star Wars’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math.

http://www.slashfilm.com/man-of-stee...oll-star-wars/

He probably has a point there.

[Dispenser Of Truth]

One's a bunch of evil guys firing a death laser to show they're terrifying and unstoppable (and even THAT stops to focus on the victims), and is a pretty significant turning point in the plot. The other is a blunt, in-your-face 9/11 parallel where people die offscreen in the midst of Superman's brawl for the sake of adding scale to a fight scene. Storytelling-wise, there's a lot more going on there than a pure numbers game.

[Agent Z]

One's a bunch of evil guys firing a death laser to show they're terrifying and unstoppable (and even THAT stops to focus on the victims), and is a pretty significant turning point in the plot. The other is a blunt, in-your-face 9/11 parallel where people die offscreen in the midst of Superman's brawl for the sake of adding scale to a fight scene. Storytelling-wise, there's a lot more going on there than a pure numbers game.

Most of the destruction is Zod's fault.

[Doctor Know]

The Force Awakens? Pssh
What about Abrams film that preceded TFA, Star Trek Into Darkness?



This film also came out in 2013, also invoked "9/11 imagery", and to top it off, was written by a 9/11 truther (Roberto Orci).

Everyone seems to forget about the senseless destruction of STID, and how Abrams literally glossed over the destruction and restoration at the end of his film.

[sunofdarkchild]

How many people did Luke kill when he blew up the Death Star in 1977? Probably hundreds of thousands. And unless Princess Leia was the only prisoner on the station he definitely killed innocent people along with Tarkin.

[SSJett]

People always seem to forget the 7 billion people Supes saved by destroying the World Engine.

[JBatmanFan05]

Star Wars is not traditional superhero stuff. There is no prior expected notion of the Star Wars "heroes" being expected to prevent/save more, they've always failed to prevent planets from being extinguished. So Zach lost that point right there. But the article of course shuts down Zach with further distinctions.

[manofsteel1979]

I have defended MOS in the past, and will continue to (even if I end up disliking DOJ) but Snyder is all wet here. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

[Tayswift]

Star Wars is not traditional superhero stuff. There is no prior expected notion of the Star Wars "heroes" being expected to prevent/save more, they've always failed to prevent planets from being extinguished. So Zach lost that point right there. But the article of course shuts down Zach with further distinctions.

it's not like they are fighting and destroyed the whole planet in the proccess.

i think the ruin on snyder is not accept critics and just brush off

another thing, he said that the building were evacuated before the zod fight but then on bvs the story is different

[lorddominicus85]

People always seem to forget the 7 billion people Supes saved by destroying the World Engine.

This......

[Xarek]

One's a bunch of evil guys firing a death laser to show they're terrifying and unstoppable (and even THAT stops to focus on the victims), and is a pretty significant turning point in the plot. The other is a blunt, in-your-face 9/11 parallel where people die offscreen in the midst of Superman's brawl for the sake of adding scale to a fight scene. Storytelling-wise, there's a lot more going on there than a pure numbers game.

This. The number can be one, a million, or infinite. It is not about the number of people who died. It is about the consequences and impact that those deaths have in the plot. In SW, it is an actual plot point that has a bearing in the arc of the characters in that universe. In the other, it was a just a crash boom bang sequence that was quickly brushed off. Big difference.
If you have already seen BvS you will realize Zack Snyder is not a man of subtlety. And by the looks of it, fails to see it as well.

[Dispenser Of Truth]

In fairness, I do largely agree with Char Aznable about the last Star Trek: while it would've been a somewhat outdated reference for Snyder to make relative to the still white-hot TFA, that's a lot closer to what went down in MOS in terms of presentation and effect. Heck, it was in the same year.

[DieHard200904]

Can't people just accept that heroes no matter how super they are, cannot save everyone? I mean just look at how Superman and the JL and then some could not save millions of people from getting disintegrated by Imperiex alone, and there's a point to look at. Although I wouldn't expect a film maker to be familiar with that material. But seriously, Superman saving everyone is BS from someone who would not like a Superman movie anyways.

[Ceebiro]

Can't people just accept that heroes no matter how super they are, cannot save everyone? I mean just look at how Superman and the JL and then some could not save millions of people from getting disintegrated by Imperiex alone, and there's a point to look at. Although I wouldn't expect a film maker to be familiar with that material. But seriously, Superman saving everyone is BS from someone who would not like a Superman movie anyways.

False.

I'm eager to see a great modern Superman in cinema. MOS didn't offer that with the exception of a few fleeting moments . It's why I wish WB had gone with a sequel to MOS with a lighter tone instead of jumping right into BvS. I thought Goyer/Snyder did Clark a disservice in the first film, and did not nearly enough to really bring Clark's true character to the forefront.

I also don't think that people expected Superman to save everyone, but they probably would have liked a few more examples of him worrying about civilian casualties. Heck, it would have been nice to see him really helping out with the cleanup effort in the aftermath.

[DieHard200904]

False.

I'm eager to see a great modern Superman in cinema. MOS didn't offer that with the exception of a few fleeting moments . It's why I wish WB had gone with a sequel to MOS with a lighter tone instead of jumping right into BvS. I thought Goyer/Snyder did Clark a disservice in the first film, and did not nearly enough to really bring Clark's true character to the forefront.

I also don't think that people expected Superman to save everyone, but they probably would have liked a few more examples of him worrying about civilian casualties. Heck, it would have been nice to see him really helping out with the cleanup effort in the aftermath.

Zod clearly defeated attempts by Superman to move him away from the city. Superman ended the destruction in a practical way, and certainly tried not to do this, by snapping Zod's neck. Yeah, an extra scene of him helping the cleanup would make it better, and I disagree witH DC/WB for fast tracking Justice League above a Superman sequel, but the fight really wasn't going to be clean. And the clear intent was to just kill people unless Superman somehow paralyzed or killed him.