A Cursory Look at Meredith Finch's Previous (And Only) Work

[C-IN2]

See her previous work here:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/03/...les-from-oz-2/

It's awful.

Like, REALLY bad.

Well, it was nice having an award-winning, universally critically acclaimed Wonder Woman book while it lasted.....

[brettc1]

Hmmmm.

Okay, there is no doubt that the way the male characters are being shown is pretty sexist.

On the other hand, is that the intention? By which I mean, is Finch deliberately writing them as sexist because that is exactly what they are supposed to be?

Also, I've gotta say that ever since the scene in the Kevin Costner Robin Hood a few years back, where Maid Marion takes a good long look at Robin's naked butt under the waterfall without his knowing, I don't know that we can cry foul to much about guys doing the same thing. In fact not even as "bad", since this female shown in the comic is fully clothed. What's good for the goose really should be good for the gander when it comes to having one [a gander*, I mean].

Didn't I see the Birds of Prey in a male strip club?

Seems to me I would have to read the whole issue for myself before being able to make any kind of informed analysis. Selected exerts are just that - selected.



*Aussie slang - having a gander means looking at something.

[billee0918]

See her previous work here:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/03/...les-from-oz-2/

It's awful.

Like, REALLY bad.

Well, it was nice having an award-winning, universally critically acclaimed Wonder Woman book while it lasted.....

Ugh, bummer to hear the new run's acclaim falls short of Azz's. I can't find any reviews tho, can you share?

[Dr. Poison]

Hmmmm.

Okay, there is no doubt that the way the male characters are being shown is pretty sexist.

On the other hand, is that the intention? By which I mean, is Finch deliberately writing them as sexist because that is exactly what they are supposed to be?

Also, I've gotta say that ever since the scene in the Kevin Costner Robin Hood a few years back, where Maid Marion takes a good long look at Robin's naked butt under the waterfall without his knowing, I don't know that we can cry foul to much about guys doing the same thing. In fact not even as "bad", since this female shown in the comic is fully clothed. What's good for the goose really should be good for the gander when it comes to having one [a gander*, I mean].

Didn't I see the Birds of Prey in a male strip club?

Seems to me I would have to read the whole issue for myself before being able to make any kind of informed analysis. Selected exerts are just that - selected.



*Aussie slang - having a gander means looking at something.

Very well said, brettc1.

[Vanguard-01]

Hmmmm.

Okay, there is no doubt that the way the male characters are being shown is pretty sexist.

On the other hand, is that the intention? By which I mean, is Finch deliberately writing them as sexist because that is exactly what they are supposed to be?

Also, I've gotta say that ever since the scene in the Kevin Costner Robin Hood a few years back, where Maid Marion takes a good long look at Robin's naked butt under the waterfall without his knowing, I don't know that we can cry foul to much about guys doing the same thing. In fact not even as "bad", since this female shown in the comic is fully clothed. What's good for the goose really should be good for the gander when it comes to having one [a gander*, I mean].

Didn't I see the Birds of Prey in a male strip club?

Seems to me I would have to read the whole issue for myself before being able to make any kind of informed analysis. Selected exerts are just that - selected.



*Aussie slang - having a gander means looking at something.

I have to comment here, because it's so rare for me to get to agree with you these days!

Another important thing to remember about this issue is that Meredith Finch was only the CO-writer of this book. It's hard to tell which parts were her contribution and which parts weren't.

Just about the only part of this post with which I must disagree? Seriously? The "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" was "just a few years ago? Dude, I was a KID when that movie came out! It was one of the first mature movies my parents let me see.

[Dr. Hurt]

On the other hand, is that the intention? By which I mean, is Finch deliberately writing them as sexist because that is exactly what they are supposed to be?

That's a good point actually. They look like tribal warriors of old (and lions on top of it), so sexism is pretty natural for them.

But besides that, this doesnt look so good, and i'm not thrilled about that witch in skimpy clothes. And in general, i dont get this in comics nowadays. Back in my day, when kids used to read comics, some semi nudity was appreciated, because it was hard to find. Now, not only do kids NOT read comics, but even if they do, they have iphones that can access the internet and find porn with just one click. So what's the point of this kind of crap, except perhaps self gratification?

[dshipp17]

See her previous work here:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/03/...les-from-oz-2/

It's awful.

Like, REALLY bad.

Well, it was nice having an award-winning, universally critically acclaimed Wonder Woman book while it lasted.....

I like what I see so far; I guess it depends on your taste, but this just seems more normalized. I like how she doesn't seem too focused on catering to feminists and this is just what's in order for Wonder Woman; I don't say that because I have lots of things against feminists, I just think the Wonder Woman comic needs a break from efforts to cater to the feminists so that the writer can focus on writing a particular story as comfortably as possible.

[Mr. Mastermind]

I like what I see so far; I guess it depends on your taste, but this just seems more normalized. I like how she doesn't seem too focused on catering to feminists and this is just what's in order for Wonder Woman; I don't say that because I have lots of things against feminists, I just think the Wonder Woman comic needs a break from efforts to cater to the feminists so that the writer can focus on writing a particular story as comfortably as possible.

If Wonder Woman is a feminist character (and she is) then what's the point of alienating feminists? That's like writing a Daredevil comic that insults the disabled.

And the comic looks just as good as I expected it would, which is to say it looks really really bad.

[Blacksun]

Hmmmm.

Okay, there is no doubt that the way the male characters are being shown is pretty sexist.

On the other hand, is that the intention? By which I mean, is Finch deliberately writing them as sexist because that is exactly what they are supposed to be?

Also, I've gotta say that ever since the scene in the Kevin Costner Robin Hood a few years back, where Maid Marion takes a good long look at Robin's naked butt under the waterfall without his knowing, I don't know that we can cry foul to much about guys doing the same thing. In fact not even as "bad", since this female shown in the comic is fully clothed. What's good for the goose really should be good for the gander when it comes to having one [a gander*, I mean].

Didn't I see the Birds of Prey in a male strip club?

Seems to me I would have to read the whole issue for myself before being able to make any kind of informed analysis. Selected exerts are just that - selected.



*Aussie slang - having a gander means looking at something.

seems like men can't take some of the reverse sexism

[Pinsir]

Its a Zenoscope book.....

[Sacred Knight]

brett, Vanguard and I are in tandem here in agreement.

WAT A TWIST!

[Step]

Ehhh, what Pinsir said, it's a Zenescope book, objectifying women is kind of it's thing, I'm not saying it's a good thing, but that's what they do and when you're a new comic writer trying to get into the business, you can't really pick and choose your projects, so I don't hold that against her.

The rest, yeah, it seems pretty obvious that tribe was meant to be sexist.

[GlennSimpson]

That's a good point actually. They look like tribal warriors of old (and lions on top of it), so sexism is pretty natural for them.

But besides that, this doesnt look so good, and i'm not thrilled about that witch in skimpy clothes. And in general, i dont get this in comics nowadays. Back in my day, when kids used to read comics, some semi nudity was appreciated, because it was hard to find. Now, not only do kids NOT read comics, but even if they do, they have iphones that can access the internet and find porn with just one click. So what's the point of this kind of crap, except perhaps self gratification?

Well, on one hand, if they decided to tone this sort of thing down, I would not have some huge problem with it. Anything to bring more readers, particularly female ones, in.

But on the other, while it exists, I enjoy it. I like seeing a well-executed female form. The fact that I can get it other places doesn't make me not enjoy it in comics. And no, that doesn't mean I actually touch myself to it, I just enjoy looking at it. At most, I might make a "yummy" noise.

[Vonter Voman]

Of course it's on purpose (except for some bits), which doesn't mean it's any good. Forced feminist punchlines ruining the story. If she did that to characters that aren't related at all with the theme, imagine what she will do with WW. I expect a lot of marstonian "difference feminism".