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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    So DiDio and Johns finally have that utterly inhuman, unrelatable Wonder Woman they were so set on forcing into existance around Infinite Crisis...
    I don't know if that's an accurate representation of Diana around 10 years ago but at any rate, that's all academic and speculative at best record that now as we've yet to see #Afterbirth WONDER WOMAN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCER View Post
    I don't know if that's an accurate representation of Diana around 10 years ago but at any rate, that's all academic and speculative at best record that now as we've yet to see #Afterbirth WONDER WOMAN.
    They tried to pull it right after the possibly most human incarnation of the character (Rucka's) was done, so it didn't really work out.
    But they did try.
    It was all about her being royalty and therefore being unable to relate to 'real' people, and using her clay origin to make her seem not a real person. Out of the blue, suddenly, these were the big problems in her life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    They tried to pull it right after the possibly most human incarnation of the character (Rucka's) was done, so it didn't really work out.
    But they did try.
    It was all about her being royalty and therefore being unable to relate to 'real' people, and using her clay origin to make her seem not a real person. Out of the blue, suddenly, these were the big problems in her life.

    I'm not sure how this applies to how she's been described in Rebirth though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    I'm not sure how this applies to how she's been described in Rebirth though.
    Anybody who spends thousands of years doing absolutely nothing, gaining zero emotional growth, and then in a few short years drastically changes, cannot be remotely be said to have a human mind.

    It has been said that this was because she finally got off the damn island. Well, anybody who stays on that island for thousands of years before finally bailing isn't human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    Anybody who spends thousands of years doing absolutely nothing, gaining zero emotional growth, and then in a few short years drastically changes, cannot be remotely be said to have a human mind.

    It has been said that this was because she finally got off the damn island. Well, anybody who stays on that island for thousands of years before finally bailing isn't human.
    How is any of what we know of her post-Rebirth story "inhuman?" A young adult leaving home and changing due to the experiences she gains is perfectly relateable, this is just done on a more fantastical scale. Which is what her story has always been. Saying that the changes in her growth are drastic is also a bit premature before we even read it.

    By your logic, none of the other Amazons (any versions of them) have human minds either, because they can stay on that island for all eternity and not go out of their minds from being stuck in the same place with the same people doing the same things every day. Diana at least doesn't know anything else beyond the island before she leaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    How is any of what we know of her post-Rebirth story "inhuman?" A young adult leaving home and changing due to the experiences she gains is perfectly relateable, this is just done on a more fantastical scale. Which is what her story has always been. Saying that the changes in her growth are drastic is also a bit premature before we even read it.

    By your logic, none of the other Amazons (any versions of them) have human minds either, because they can stay on that island for all eternity and not go out of their minds from being stuck in the same place with the same people doing the same things every day. Diana at least doesn't know anything else beyond the island before she leaves.
    Isn't the fact that Diana never experienced just how bad the outside world could be one of the reasons why she's more optimistic about it than the other Amazons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    How is any of what we know of her post-Rebirth story "inhuman?" A young adult leaving home and changing due to the experiences she gains is perfectly relateable, this is just done on a more fantastical scale. Which is what her story has always been. Saying that the changes in her growth are drastic is also a bit premature before we even read it.
    It's the being thousands of years old and yet never leaveng her home that spoils it the most.
    And the fact that there's plenty of people who never even leave their home town and yet do manage to mature beyond the naive teenager stage.

    By your logic, none of the other Amazons (any versions of them) have human minds either, because they can stay on that island for all eternity and not go out of their minds from being stuck in the same place with the same people doing the same things every day. Diana at least doesn't know anything else beyond the island before she leaves.
    Well, no. Because they were for some reason not held at the mental age of a particularily immature teenager and got to grow up and have actual lives for those thousands of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Isn't the fact that Diana never experienced just how bad the outside world could be one of the reasons why she's more optimistic about it than the other Amazons?
    Yeah, that's how I'm thinking both this and the movie will play out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    It's the being thousands of years old and yet never leaveng her home that spoils it the most.
    And the fact that there's plenty of people who never even leave their home town and yet do manage to mature beyond the naive teenager stage.
    And even those people who never leave their home towns have dealt with things that no version of Diana (no matter how old she is physically or mentally) have had to deal with on her mother's fantasy island provided by the goddess Aphrodite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    Well, no. Because they were for some reason not held at the mental age of a particularily immature teenager and got to grow up and have actual lives for those thousands of years.
    No, they (at least the original Amazons) did all their growing up before leaving Man's World and then stopped aging. Their actual lives from that point on are just as steeped in stunted fantasy as Diana's is, seeing as how nobody dies or gets sick for thousands of years and they must really have had to stretch their imaginations to find something new to do before even the first century ended. Again, at least Diana doesn't know anything else, and once she gets a taste of the outside world, she wants to stay there and grow as a person no matter how rough it can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    Yeah, that's how I'm thinking both this and the movie will play out.



    And even those people who never leave their home towns have dealt with things that no version of Diana (no matter how old she is physically or mentally) have had to deal with on her mother's fantasy island provided by the goddess Aphrodite.



    No, they (at least the original Amazons) did all their growing up before leaving Man's World and then stopped aging. Their actual lives from that point on are just as steeped in stunted fantasy as Diana's is, seeing as how nobody dies or gets sick for thousands of years and they must really have had to stretch their imaginations to find something new to do before even the first century ended. Again, at least Diana doesn't know anything else, and once she gets a taste of the outside world, she wants to stay there and grow as a person no matter how rough it can be.
    We don't have the original Amazons. We have the current Amazons, who get to have kids and stuff. And those kids grew up, while Diana for some reason did not.

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    I don't understand what you mean by "growing up"
    I doubt she frolicked through the hills slaying imagined dragons with her sword
    for centuries dreaming about ice cream cones

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    Quote Originally Posted by My Two Cents View Post
    I don't understand what you mean by "growing up"
    I have been repeatedly told that she has been mentally 18 for thousands of years and only starts to develop as a person in the last ten years after she leaves the island.

    And that that is okay because magic.

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