SSG Goku VS SSG Vegeta

[Ultra_Sonic]

Also, we're getting quite a few time manipulators in DB now. Whis, Vados, Hit, Supreme Kai of Time and good old Guldo.

Is the Supreme Kai of Time even canon??

[The Chou Lives]

Is the Supreme Kai of Time even canon??

The Kai of Time is showing up in future. So up
In the air.

[Kuro]

Speaking of stopping time, is there a difference between Guildo's time stop and Hit's?

It seems Guildo had the better version, since he could do it for what seems to be a longer period of time.

[The Chou Lives]

Speaking of stopping time, is there a difference between Guildo's time stop and Hit's?

It seems Guildo had the better version, since he could do it for what seems to be a longer period of time.

Guildos lasts as long he could hold his breath. Hit seems to be a set limit of .05 or so. He just has better stats to make up for it.

[Len Ikari145]

Is the Supreme Kai of Time even canon??

She was first mentioned in Dragon Ball Online, and since Dragon Ball Online is canon to the main series via Toriyama's statements and the fact that he was the creative director, writer and designer behind it, yeah it is. Super even brings up how time travel is a universal criminal offense, which was originally only discussed in DBO and Xenoverse.

[The Drunkard Kid]

For what its worth, SSJ3 had wonky time-related shenanigans as well, in that it ate the time Goku and Gotenks had remaining. SSJG being able to do something to a timestop wouldn't be too wild of a change in comparison, I guess.

[Ultra_Sonic]

She was first mentioned in Dragon Ball Online, and since Dragon Ball Online is canon to the main series via Toriyama's statements and the fact that he was the creative director, writer and designer behind it, yeah it is. Super even brings up how time travel is a universal criminal offense, which was originally only discussed in DBO and Xenoverse.

I always thought Xenoverse was non-canon. Dragon Ball Online's canon status is ambiguous to me.

Even if the Supreme Kai of Time is in fact canon, where in the divine hierarchy does she rank?

She also lied to Trunks because Time Travel was not a Galactic Offense (as Trunks was the first person to ever time travel).

[Ultra_Sonic]

For what its worth, SSJ3 had wonky time-related shenanigans as well, in that it ate the time Goku and Gotenks had remaining. SSJG being able to do something to a timestop wouldn't be too wild of a change in comparison, I guess.

The thing is, when Goku was back on Earth (he was using his 24-hour pass back to the mortal realm), he was STRONGLY advised against using SSJ3 because he had little time remaining on his 24 hour pass (which was likely linked to his living/dead energy), and going SSJ3 when he was dead but in the mortal world would have eaten up what little time he had left QUICKLY.

Gotenks--on the other hand--did not have this limitation.

[Siriel]

Speaking of stopping time, is there a difference between Guildo's time stop and Hit's?

It seems Guildo had the better version, since he could do it for what seems to be a longer period of time.

Hit does not stop time, he just skips it. They compared it to a time stop so Goku would understand.

[Len Ikari145]

I always thought Xenoverse was non-canon. Dragon Ball Online's canon status is ambiguous to me.

Xenoverse is non-canon, but Supreme Kai of Time recruiting Trunks as a Time Patrol Officer because of the violation still happens in Dragon Ball Online, and Jaco reaffirms that this is indeed a galactic crime in Dragon Ball Super when Bulma told him that her other son from the future came back in time. And DBO takes place centuries after the series' ending, so it contradicts nothing.

[Ultra_Sonic]

I always thought Xenoverse was non-canon. Dragon Ball Online's canon status is ambiguous to me.

Even if the Supreme Kai of Time is in fact canon, where in the divine hierarchy does she rank?

She also lied to Trunks because Time Travel was not a Galactic Offense (as Trunks was the first person to ever time travel).

Xenoverse is non-canon, but Supreme Kai of Time recruiting Trunks as a Time Patrol Officer because of the violation still happens in Dragon Ball Online, and Jaco reaffirms that this is indeed a galactic crime in Dragon Ball Super when Bulma told him that her other son from the future came back in time. And DBO takes place centuries after the series' ending, so it contradicts nothing.

If Trunks being recruited by the Supreme Kai of Time is still canon, that means I take her word over Jaco, because she is basically a god.

[master of read]

well, i guess i was right to stop watching it.

[Cody]

It wasn't about the punches, it was about the energy beam clash.

Negating the punches was just some weird thing Goku did and wasn't about pure power.

Wrong. It was about the fist bumps and that had a couple mod rulings on it. And the fist bump absolutely had everything to do with pure power, to say otherwise would be based on nothing at all shown in the scene. I have already talked to Watcher about it and the beam clash was NOT what he was referring too.

[Cody]

Hit does not stop time, he just skips it. They compared it to a time stop so Goku would understand.

Except he outright states that he stops time for a certain amount of..time.

[Cody]

It's also not particularly useful in a fight (yet) because as they pointed out during the episode, Hit could have just killed him by interrupting his fairly prolonged preparation sequence.

Considering the fact that fighters start at full peak at the very beginning unless stated otherwise by the op(that IS all Goku was doing). Its hardly a problem