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    Quote Originally Posted by Brigonos Chomhgaill View Post
    Well, if there wasn't a last-minute fix of the ballot, I have literally no idea what the point of this whole exercise was unless they specifically set out to make the little pinko throwback all but bulletproof.
    Yes, a fix would have been transparent, but the PLP were already screwed after weeks of lies, bullying, and fake antisemitism/homophobic smears that were debunked within minutes of being made public and which have painted them as untrustworthy bullies as well as planting the notion that the media can't be trusted to report anything at all about Corbyn, and to top it all off their Chicken Coup failed so they were painted as a shower of losers as well - they had literally nothing to lose and everything to gain from a fix, and they didn't even do it.
    Their only achievement has been to turn Corbyn into a martyr and create the biggest socialist party in the Western world by cramming it with fully paid-up members rushing to lend Leftie Jesus their support, so even if at the last their intent was to destroy the Labour party, they failed at that, too. They failed at failing. Unbelievable.
    I think it was a last stab to maintain a right of left Labour party - the one that Blair created. Why? Because it got them into power. But their logic is flawed. Leaders win elections. Good, charasmatic leaders. Leaders who have an air of knowing what they're doing. Leaders who convey empathy with the general public. It's not a 100% truth, but it's almost always the case - the stronger leader ends up winning.

    Thatcher v Kinnock
    Major v Kinnock was it?
    Blair v cant remember?
    Brown v Cameron
    Cameron v Milliband
    May v Corbyn? That's an interesting one because the mainstream right wing media portray Corbyn in such a negative way, yet the public seem to be ignoring that. Don't forget Labour won a by-election with Corbyn just last year. I think it will come down to May. If she maintains this left of right Tory party with some socialist policies, I think she'll win.
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    Leaders can't win if the great majority of their Parliamentary party thinks they're useless and has indicated they should go. I can't see how a Corbyn-led Labour Party can win the next election. I don't think they could even if the PLP was united behind him, I think Corbyn will play enormously badly with most voters in a GE - just my personal view. But I'm sure they can't in the current circumstances.

    Leaders win elections if the circumstances are right, if their party is behind them, and if they have a clear message. Corbyn's Labour party will be mincemeat before a May-led Tory party, the SNP, and not discounting the threat from the Lib Dems and UKIP.

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    All these shenanigans are making me want to move to Scotland

    Even their Conservative politicians are likable http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-boris-johnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coin Biter View Post
    Leaders can't win if the great majority of their Parliamentary party thinks they're useless and has indicated they should go.
    Leaving aside the emerging stories of MPs being bullied and threatened into siding with the splitters, this only works if people are on the side of the PLP. If, however, the PLP have tried and failed to make the current situation look like an ideological rift and now no-one believes they were motivated by good intentions, all this does is strengthen Corbyn's position and make him look like he's in the right - and even if he isn't, who's going to vote for bullies and liars in the current climate?
    I was watching a video of John McTernan's furious phone call to BBC news as he bitterly said Corbyn's name over and over again, rattling off dire and apocalyptic warnings of the death of Labour and how the party had been stabbed through the heart with a dagger and all I could think was "what a complete fucking twat." This is basically a paradigm for the PLP right now, and they somehow manage to keep making it worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brigonos Chomhgaill View Post
    Leaving aside the emerging stories of MPs being bullied and threatened into siding with the splitters, this only works if people are on the side of the PLP. If, however, the PLP have tried and failed to make the current situation look like an ideological rift and now no-one believes they were motivated by good intentions, all this does is strengthen Corbyn's position and make him look like he's in the right - and even if he isn't, who's going to vote for bullies and liars in the current climate?
    I was watching a video of John McTernan's furious phone call to BBC news as he bitterly said Corbyn's name over and over again, rattling off dire and apocalyptic warnings of the death of Labour and how the party had been stabbed through the heart with a dagger and all I could think was "what a complete fucking twat." This is basically a paradigm for the PLP right now, and they somehow manage to keep making it worse.
    If the alternatives are Corbyn leading a divided Parliamentary Party and an angry but supportive Party membership, with many of his critics under threat from deselection, and a replacement leading a united Parliamentary Party and an angry and antagonistic Party membership, with many of Corbyn's enemies under threat from deselection, then I agree, either way Labour are in the ****. Which is a shame. The country needs a strong opposition.

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    I would have agreed with you last night right after the NEC decided to allow Corbyn to stay on the ballot... unfortunately, mere minutes later, the Chicken Coup decided it hadn't fucked up enough for one day and did something monumentally stupid - after Corbyn left the meeting, they took a secret vote on increasing registration fees by over 700% and banned members of their own party from having a vote in the leadership contest. Basically their next trick will be making Corbyn look like a champion of the working poor that probably wouldn't have given Labour the time of day in an election.
    Amazing. It's like they're doing it on purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brigonos Chomhgaill View Post
    I would have agreed with you last night right after the NEC decided to allow Corbyn to stay on the ballot... unfortunately, mere minutes later, the Chicken Coup decided it hadn't fucked up enough for one day and did something monumentally stupid - after Corbyn left the meeting, they took a secret vote on increasing registration fees by over 700% and banned members of their own party from having a vote in the leadership contest. Basically their next trick will be making Corbyn look like a champion of the working poor that probably wouldn't have given Labour the time of day in an election.
    Amazing. It's like they're doing it on purpose.
    These are Blairs children and they still believe in mobilising support by lying to the stupid electorate. They haven't understood that people have been waking up to this and the biggest demographic of awakening is within the socialist/anti establishment leaning people. Arsewipes all of them.

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    I don't think this is specifically an awakening of the hard left so much as it is a move to palpable left or right politics by an electorate sick to the back teeth of interchangeable centerist politicians who achieve and stand for nothing - of which the Blairites are admittedly a good example. We saw the face of those drifting to the right emerge in UKIP's rising profile over the last few years, but now they have a home in Labour we're seeing the left emerge too.

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    Oh Lord, Boris Johnson is top diplomat? Whose idea of a punch line was THAT??

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    This what happens when you step away from the internet for a few hours - you miss the memo where we forgive someone for being a spineless lying sack of shit who wrecked the country.

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    "She’s got dyed blonde hair and pouty lips, and a steely blue stare, like a sadistic nurse in a mental hospital".......He's not Wrong.

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    In the last two days, the Parliamentary Labour Party has begun openly rigging an election by rescinding the voting rights of those members (150 000 so far) who intend to vote for the guy they don't like, robbed their own supporters of over 6 million pounds, banned their members from meeting in public, banned them from using certain words on social media, and to top it all off they started a social media campaign claiming they were the victims of bullying - which in true fashion they promptly fucked up when it became a lightning rod for their own supporters to become hostile and abusive on social media, because nothing gets people onside faster than racial and homophobic slurs.

    Uncle Joe would be very proud of New Labour.

    EDIT TO ADD: Of course they made it worse. I never doubted they could.
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    Haha, wow! I gotta' admit, even though her politics aren't my thing, Ruth Davidson does seem to have a great sense of humour! = ) Misha the Bear indeed! ^^

    Meanwhile - I have to say... WHY exactly are you UK-ers putting Johnson up as your new Foreign Secretary?? He doesn't seem to be the right material, tell you the truth - why does he deserve a second chance, if I may ask? I honestly don't think hell go over too well if he's going to be a part of the negotiations with the EU regarding Brexit.
    On the one hand, maybe that's the point - forces within the Tory-party figure he'll do his utmost to get as good of a deal with the EU? And that he's still popular enough with the UK public, that he'll invite trust and political stability?

    Don't see how that's going to go well, since he's the face of the Brexit-campaign, so almost half the country are only so-so on him.


    Also: Sturgeon is out-standing!

    I truly hope she becomes the first ever Scottish Prime Minister - because I am convinced that she could lead her country, her PEOPLE to a better tomorrow - she's got what it takes -no hesitation, always a plan, always prepared. She's sly, she's authorative, she's confident - and hence inspires confidence in her.

    You Saxons and Normans would wish you had someone like her in your corner!


    EDIT:

    Wow, ok, Johnson is far worse than I thought. I had no idea he had made statements like these! Surely, you Britons can see that if he doesn't shape up dramatically, ol' Bojo is going to make a rather big mess for the UK? Do you really think a man who makes such crude comments about other heads of state is suitable as your top diplomat?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ary-of-britain
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.R Johansson View Post
    Haha, wow! I gotta' admit, even though her politics aren't my thing, Ruth Davidson does seem to have a great sense of humour! = ) Misha the Bear indeed! ^^

    Meanwhile - I have to say... WHY exactly are you UK-ers putting Johnson up as your new Foreign Secretary?? He doesn't seem to be the right material, tell you the truth - why does he deserve a second chance, if I may ask? I honestly don't think hell go over too well if he's going to be a part of the negotiations with the EU regarding Brexit.
    On the one hand, maybe that's the point - forces within the Tory-party figure he'll do his utmost to get as good of a deal with the EU? And that he's still popular enough with the UK public, that he'll invite trust and political stability?

    Don't see how that's going to go well, since he's the face of the Brexit-campaign, so almost half the country are only so-so on him.


    Also: Sturgeon is out-standing!

    I truly hope she becomes the first ever Scottish Prime Minister - because I am convinced that she could lead her country, her PEOPLE to a better tomorrow - she's got what it takes -no hesitation, always a plan, always prepared. She's sly, she's authorative, she's confident - and hence inspires confidence in her.

    You Saxons and Normans would wish you had someone like her in your corner!


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    Wow, ok, Johnson is far worse than I thought. I had no idea he had made statements like these! Surely, you Britons can see that if he doesn't shape up dramatically, ol' Bojo is going to make a rather big mess for the UK? Do you really think a man who makes such crude comments about other heads of state is suitable as your top diplomat?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ary-of-britain
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