Big Reinventions That Worked

[t hedge coke]

Big changes are a rocky proposition, and often, if you try to redefine an established character, it gets reverted down the road, if not immediately, because nostalgia, comfort, and sometimes folks just think the original idea was better. War Machine can't be an ugly alien armor forever, and Machine Man, eventually, had to stop calling people 'fleshy ones." So, what are some big changes that worked so well, they've been working more or less ever since?

For the MU, the grandaddies of this are probably Captain America being a man out of time, which, of course, wasn't part off his deal for over twenty years, but has framed him significantly ever since, and also, the more close-to-the-beginning change of Hulk going from a grumpy bully to an angry, easily emotional child.

Much as I love Stan Lee and Paul Ryan, I have to admit, Ravage 2099 was a pretty mundane title until Mills and Skinner took over and changed the tone of the comic, the look and powers of the protagonist, the supporting cast, and, well, everythin about the comic except the name and just started doing patented Pat Mills machismo, religion, and slavery are a bit funny aren't they? stories where Ravage was set on by big game hunters with slaves or running around massive and naked with a telepathic bat and a girlfriend with the powers of an Asgardian death god.

Back in,, say, 1992, who'd have thought that a fiercer, tactically-strong, charging-to-the-fore Sharon Carter would,, or could, be such a big part of Captain America's life? But since Waid and Garney brought her back - and she'd been dead quite some time - she's never really gone away, and she's never gone back to being "classic" Sharon.

[XPac]

Wolverine worked out pretty darn well, from his initial debut. They definately reinvented the wheel with that one.

[Sutekh]

Hulk's transformation having something to do with rage / anger, which I've heard was first introduced in the TV show, and then brought over to the comics.

[KOSLOX]

Priest's Black Panther.

If you read his interviews he basically went back to the original concept of a hypercompetant king who took down the FF in his first appearance and pushed that forward incorporating more modern sensibilities into the character. I think now his version is probably the most associated with the character.

[ariwl1]

This:



To This:



http://www.deviantart.com/art/Jean-G...enix-256147799

Now if only editorial hadn't mucked about with the concept things would be golden.

[sifighter]

This:
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To this:
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And now this:
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[Dispenser Of Truth]

to


worked out pretty well.

[Iron Maiden]

to


worked out pretty well.

Except for Starlin killing him off in the graphic novel, I suppose you are right. And talk about dead being dead, Marvel has not relented on this one yet.

[Iron Maiden]

That Phoenix is beautiful. I can't make out the artist sig...who did it?

[ariwl1]

That Phoenix is beautiful. I can't make out the artist sig...who did it?

Right here

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Jean-G...enix-256147799

[Panic]

Hulk's transformation having something to do with rage / anger, which I've heard was first introduced in the TV show, and then brought over to the comics.

No, at least in England the premiere of the show was later than comics showing anger as the trigger.

[McFarlane's Green Hulk]

Hulk's transformation having something to do with rage / anger, which I've heard was first introduced in the TV show, and then brought over to the comics.

The anger/rage trigger was first introduced way, WAY back in the mid 1960's in Tales to Astonish #60 by Stan Lee & Steve Ditko. It also had the Hulk reverting back to Banner when under a "heavy strain", which was dropped a few issues later.

[Marvel_Is]

The anger/rage trigger was first introduced way, WAY back in the mid 1960's in Tales to Astonish #60 by Stan Lee & Steve Ditko. It also had the Hulk reverting back to Banner when under a "heavy strain", which was dropped a few issues later.

Thank goodness that ended.

[jphamlore]

The anger/rage trigger was first introduced way, WAY back in the mid 1960's in Tales to Astonish #60 by Stan Lee & Steve Ditko. It also had the Hulk reverting back to Banner when under a "heavy strain", which was dropped a few issues later.

I think the Thor reverts back to a human if he loses contact with the hammer for 30 seconds weakness persisted far longer but it has as far as I remember not been seen for quite a while.

[McFarlane's Green Hulk]

I think the Thor reverts back to a human if he loses contact with the hammer for 30 seconds weakness persisted far longer but it has as far as I remember not been seen for quite a while.

I haven't been caught up on Thor since the Jurgens/Romita Jr. run. I think I tried with JMS, but dropped it when the delays started.
I don't even know if he has a human form to revert to anymore...