Marvel Cinematic Universe (NO SPOILERS ALLOWED!)

[Captain M]

I already said this before, because it's true but a lot of people aggressively refused to believe me.

Marvel TV is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/961651704818106369

Finally we can put that argument to rest.

[roni190]

I already said this before, because it's true but a lot of people aggressively refused to believe me.

Marvel TV is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/961651704818106369

Finally we can put that argument to rest.

But, the Marvel Cinematic Universe is part of the Marvel TV universe. that's why the TV series reference the movies but not vice versa. Which is actually kind of cool IMO. That allows the Series which are produced quicker than the movies to access a wider range of story line material which is something the movies (being produced more slowly) would have a harder time doing.

[Magmaster12]

I disagree it makes the tv shows feel like million dollar fanfiction.

[Cmbmool]

I already said this before, because it's true but a lot of people aggressively refused to believe me.

Marvel TV is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/961651704818106369.

Finally we can put that argument to rest.

Then this isn’t the FULL picture of the MCU.

What’s the point in celebrating 10 years of this if you aren’t going to include EVERYTHING that made the MCU possible and that includes the TV side of things.

[Jokerz79]

I already said this before, because it's true but a lot of people aggressively refused to believe me.

Marvel TV is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/961651704818106369

Finally we can put that argument to rest.

That pic was celebrating 10 years of Marvel Studios not the MCU and Gunn pointed out the that Marvel Studios is the MCU Movies not TV which is true they are separate divisions. So the point is Marvel TV is not part of Marvel Studios not that they're not of the MCU. I agree Feige will not acknowledge the TV side in films and he shouldn't because many of the film audience don't watch or care about the TV side of the MCU but nothing in that tweet negate the TV shows out of the MCU.

[Ascended]

Oh my god, this again?

Marvel Studios and Marvel Television are two different things.

Both operate within a single continuity. The films don't overtly reference the tv shows but there are references, and they've been listed in this thread several times.

The relationship between the films and tv aren't equal, as the tv side of things will directly reference the films and tie themselves into them (who sent the Avengers to Sokovia? Coulson's SHIELD) while the films largely ignore the tv side outside of subtle connections (Fitz designed the laser cutter Fury used in Winter Soldier). But an unbalanced connection is still a connection.

Gunn is right, Marvel Studios is the MCU (MOVIES).

Marvel Television is the MCU (TELEVISION).

It's not a hard thing to understand. I don't get why this is still a topic.

Now, if you want to discuss whether stuff like Cloak and Dagger, New Warriors, or Runaways are directly tied to the MCU you might have a discussion since I don't know of any connective tissue there. But Agents of SHIELD and the Defenders (as well as Agent Carter of course) are firmly established as sharing events and characters with the movies.

[Ascended]

I already said this before, because it's true but a lot of people aggressively refused to believe me.

Marvel TV is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/961651704818106369

Finally we can put that argument to rest.

Perhaps it is you who has aggressively refused to believe the numerous references and connections that show these two sides of the MCU are connected after all?

[Drops Of Venus]

Gunn tweeted something else explaining what he meant:

https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/961707766476824576

And even if he MEANT to say the TV shows are not a part of the MCU on a technical level, what kind of power does he even have to state something like that, when people who work on the TV side HAVE gotten permission from the higher ups to use elements from the films in their productions, and even borrow some of the movie actors? Until someone with enough power comes along and retcon all of that, it's still canon.

[Captain M]

TV shows, aren't part of the MCU, they are not canon, they won't be referenced, there won't be crossover and if Feige wants to use any of the TV characters, their TV show will be cancelled first, they'll get recast, well just cast actually, and they'll be done differently in the movies. I'm sorry if that's not what you want to hear.

Movie and TV productions are completely different areas, if a crossover were actually possible, the TV characters would be so be drasticslly changed to adapt the movies that it would kill the purpose again. From the costumes, to personalities, to how the character moves, acts, fights. They knew from they one that their role was limited to TV.

Think of it as book/comic adaptations of movies. They'll enhance to story but you won't actually know they exist with watching the movies because the events in them won't be talked about.

If you still think this qualifies as "canon" then okay, I'll give you that, maybe we just mean different things with that word. I stand by everything else I said though.

Now I realize none of you will change their minds no matter what anyone says because you want to believe that's the case. So fele free to reply to me, but I won't talk about this here again. When someone tells something people want won't happen apparently people get very very passionate. I'd be okay to discuss it in the PMs but not here anymore

[Drops Of Venus]

if Feige wants to use any of the TV characters, their TV show will be cancelled first, they'll get recast, well just cast actually, and they'll be done differently in the movies. I'm sorry if that's not what you want to hear.

Hayley Atwell? She became a full TV character, then had a cameo in Ant-Man and Agent Carter's cancellation had nothing to do with any of that.

[Carabas]

Both operate within a single continuity. The films don't overtly reference the tv shows but there are references, and they've been listed in this thread several times.

The relationship between the films and tv aren't equal, as the tv side of things will directly reference the films and tie themselves into them (who sent the Avengers to Sokovia? Coulson's SHIELD) while the films largely ignore the tv side outside of subtle connections (Fitz designed the laser cutter Fury used in Winter Soldier). But an unbalanced connection is still a connection.

The movies have not ever once acknowledged anything at all that has happened on one of the shows.
They treat the shows like fan fiction. And it is essentially what they are.

Hayley Atwell? She became a full TV character, then had a cameo in Ant-Man and Agent Carter's cancellation had nothing to do with any of that.

Various characters from the movies have appeared on the shows. No characters from the shows have ever even been mentioned in the movies. See how that works? It's a one way street.

[mace11]

Marvel Cinematic Universe

The Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) is an American media franchise and shared universe that is centered on a series of superhero films, independently produced by Marvel Studios and based on characters that appear in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The franchise has expanded to include comic books, short films, television series, and digital series. The shared universe, much like the original Marvel Universe in comic books, was established by crossing over common plot elements, settings, cast, and characters. Phil Coulson, portrayed by Clark Gregg, is an original character to the MCU and the only character to appear across all the different media of the MCU.

The first film released in the MCU was Iron Man (2008), which began the first phase of films culminating in the crossover film Marvel's The Avengers (2012). Phase Two began with Iron Man 3 (2013), and concluded with Ant-Man (2015). The films are currently in Phase Three, which began with the release of Captain America: Civil War (2016). Marvel Television expanded the universe further, first to network television with Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on ABC in the 2013–14 television season, followed by online streaming with Marvel's Daredevil on Netflix in 2015 and Marvel's Runaways on Hulu in 2017, and then to cable television with Marvel's Cloak & Dagger in 2018 on Freeform. Marvel Television has also produced the digital series Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Slingshot, which is a supplement to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Soundtrack albums have been released for all of the films, along with many of the television series, as well as the release of compilation albums containing existing music heard in the films. The MCU also includes tie-in comics published by Marvel Comics, while Marvel Studios has also produced a series of direct-to-video short films and a viral marketing campaign for its films and the universe with the faux news program WHIH Newsfront.

The franchise has been commercially successful as a multimedia shared universe, though some critics have found that some of its films and television series have suffered in service of the wider universe. It has inspired other film and television studios with comic book character adaptation rights to attempt to create similar shared universes. The MCU has also been the focus of other media, outside of the shared universe, including attractions at the Disneyland Resort and Discovery Times Square, two television specials, guidebooks for each film, multiple tie-in video games, and a commercial with Coca-Cola.

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Luke Cage (TV series)
Marvel Cinematic Universe tie-ins

Luke Cage is the third of the ordered Netflix series after Daredevil and Jessica Jones, and was followed by Iron Fist, which lead to the miniseries, The Defenders. In November 2013, Disney CEO Bob Iger stated that if the characters prove popular on Netflix, “It’s quite possible that they could become feature films," which was echoed by Sarandos in July 2015. In August 2014, Vincent D'Onofrio, Wilson Fisk in Daredevil, stated that after the "series stuff with Netflix", Marvel has "a bigger plan to branch out". In March 2015, Loeb spoke on the ability for the series to crossover with the MCU films and the ABC television series, saying, "It all exists in the same universe. As it is now, in the same way that our films started out as self-contained and then by the time we got to The Avengers, it became more practical for Captain America to do a little crossover into Thor 2 and for Bruce Banner to appear at the end of Iron Man 3. We have to earn that. The audience needs to understand who all of these characters are and what the world is before you then start co-mingling in terms of where it's going."

Runaways (TV series)

Marvel Cinematic Universe tie-ins
Loeb confirmed in July 2017 that the series would be set in the MCU, but that the show's characters would not be concerned with the actions of the Avengers, for example, saying, "Would you be following Iron Man [on social media] or would you be following someone your own age? The fact that they’ve found each other and they’re going through this mystery together at the moment is what we’re concerned about, not what Captain America is doing." The showrunners considered the series' connection to the MCU to be "liberating", as it allowed them to set the series in a universe where superheroics and fantasy are already established and do not need to be explained to the audience. Schwartz said they "were very capable of telling the story that we wanted to tell independent of any of the other Marvel stories that are out there." Loeb added that there were no plans to crossover across networks with the similarly themed Marvel's Cloak & Dagger and Marvel's New Warriors on Freeform, as Marvel wanted the series to find its footing before further connecting with other elements of the universe, though "You'll see things that comment on each other; we try to touch base wherever we can... things that are happening in L.A. are not exactly going to be affecting what's happening in New Orleans [where Cloak & Dagger is set]... It's being aware of it and trying to find a way [to connect] that makes sense."

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Marvel Cinematic Universe tie-ins
In July 2013, Jed Whedon said the series would work in tandem with the Marvel films, both past and upcoming, to weave in between the films, and to "try to make them more rewarding on both ends."He explained that each Marvel project is intended to stand alone first before there is any interweaving, and noted that the series has to work with the film division and be aware of their plans so as not to interfere when introducing someone or something to the universe. Bell elaborated that this was preferable so that people who do not watch the films can still follow the series, and vice versa. He stated that "ABC and Marvel both want the series to be able to make sense on its own", but that it was beneficial for the films to have the series fill in any "gaps" for them, due to having to be "big" and moving "quickly through a lot of huge pieces", unlike television which has time to deal with more nuances.

In January 2016, Joss Whedon noted that this process "unfortunately just means the TV show gets, you know, leftovers." He stated that, for example, the series' creative team initially wanted to use Loki's scepter from The Avengers but were unable due to Whedon's plans for it in Age of Ultron. On how their ability to connect with the films changed over the life of the series, Jed Whedon said, "The rule when we started was we couldn't say anything about spies, we couldn't say anything about Hydra, we couldn't have any A.I. or robots or anything like that, because all of that was coming in movies that year or the year after. Since then, they've blown those doors wide open." He added, "We have relatively free rein [in what the series can introduce and connect to]; we just can't go anywhere that [the films are] going. They know their stories so much further out than we do, which is good for us to tee up things that we know are coming to them or avoid things that they want to be special on the big screen. As long as we are not covering bases that they're going to cover, we haven't been told "no" that much". As an example, Whedon noted the fourth season's Framework storyline as "something that's pretty significant in our world, but is also a little eddy in the river that doesn't affect anything else because it's an alternate universe. So those kinds of stories help us go big without sending ripples through the whole MCU."

The series mimics the films' post credits scenes with 'end tags', starting with the episode "0-8-4" which features a Samuel L. Jackson cameo. Bell explained, "Sometimes it'll be funny, sometimes it'll be a mythology thing ... or an extra little reveal about" the episode. The end tag for "End of the Beginning" is a "directly lifted" scene from Captain America: The Winter Soldier.


The series' first major tie-in episode with the wider MCU was "The Well", which begins immediately after Thor: The Dark World. The episodes "End of the Beginning" and "Turn, Turn, Turn" revolve around the events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier,which led to a retooling of the series. Flashback sequences in "Shadows" and "The Things We Bury" featuring Hayley Atwell as Peggy Carter served as marketing and set-up for the Agent Carter television series.The events of "The Frenemy of My Enemy" and "The Dirty Half Dozen" led up to the opening sequence of Avengers: Age of Ultron, while "Scars" deals with the aftermath of that film. The third season follows similar themes to the film Captain America: Civil War, focusing on powered people and the different responses to them, leading up to the episode "Emancipation", which takes place after the film and shows how its events affect the series' powered characters.


The episode "T.A.H.I.T.I." introduces the Kree alien race to the MCU, members of which play a significant role in Guardians of the Galaxy. This begins a storyline that recurs throughout the series, and introduces Inhumans to the MCU, with Jed Whedon saying that it was something "in the works" for a long time, as Marvel Studios had plans for an Inhumans film, and this would be "one of the first instances where we get to start planting the seeds on the show before the film." The third season introduces the concept of the Secret Warriors, with new Inhuman characters inspired by the comic of the same name, while also retconning the history of Hydra in the MCU, tying it into the Inhumans storyline. Gregg noted in January 2016 that the "writer and director [of the Inhumans film] will have free rein to do what they want to do with the Inhumans, but hopefully there'll be some way that our Inhumans connect to that."When the film was removed from Marvel Studios' release schedule, Whedon noted that the series had "a little more freedom" and were "able to do a little bit more" with the species going into the fourth season, including the potential of introducing some of the "classic" Inhumans. Marvel's Inhumans, a television series centered on Black Bolt and other members of the Inhuman Royal Family, was announced in November 2016 to air on ABC in September 2017. It is not intended to be a spin-off of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

The fourth season explores the concept of Life Model Decoys (LMDs), which were first referenced in The Avengers, and introduces the character Ghost Rider to the MCU. On why the series waited to begin exploring LMDs, Jed Whedon said that the series previously did not want to explore the concept before the release of Avengers: Age of Ultron, which sees the introductions of Ultron and Vision in a similar manner to LMDs. On introducing Ghost Rider, Whedon said that "with Doctor Strange coming out this year, the Marvel [Cinematic] Universe is moving into new waters," referring to the exploration of magic. "We felt that this was obviously a great character that we'd love to have on our show that we feel fits with that shift." The season also continues storylines from the second season of Agent Carter, with the reveal that the Momentum Energy Labs group is a successor to the Isodyne Energy company, with both companies connected by the parent company Roxxon, a mainstay of the MCU. In August 2017, Emily VanCamp said that discussions had taken place for her to reprise her role of Sharon Carter for the series, but there were conflicts with her starring role on the series Revenge.

[mace11]

Marvel Cinematic Universe
Television

In June 2010, Marvel Television was launched with Jeph Loeb as head. By July 2012, the division had entered into discussions with ABC to create a show set in the MCU, and in August, ABC ordered a pilot for a show called S.H.I.E.L.D., with The Avengers writer/director Joss Whedon involved; it was later renamed Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. In January 2014, the series Marvel's Agent Carter was announced, joining Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. at ABC, while a put pilot order for the half-hour live-action comedy series, Marvel's Damage Control, was revealed in October 2015. While talking about Marvel potentially making comedy series, Loeb said in January 2016 that Marvel always feels humor should be a part of anything they produce, despite possibly fitting more within a darker genre, as Daredevil and Jessica Jones do, while also staying "grounded and real". He added, "There are moments of levity that are in life that you need to bring to the table, or else it just becomes overwhelmingly oppressive ... If you're going to [explore comic book elements], it's always a good idea to make sure that the audience is aware that, yeah, it's funny [too]."

Quesada confirmed in April 2014 that the Netflix series would be set within the MCU. Loeb explained that "Within the Marvel universe there are thousands of heroes of all shapes and sizes, but the Avengers are here to save the universe and Daredevil is here to save the neighborhood ... It does take place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It's all connected. But that doesn't necessarily mean that we would look up in the sky and see [Iron Man]. It's just a different part of New York that we have not yet seen in the Marvel movies." In January 2015, Netflix COO Ted Sarandos said Netflix planned to release a Marvel series approximately a year apart from each other after Daredevil's April 2015 release. A year later, Sarandos noted that the release schedules of the Marvel Netflix series are dependent on the "long production times and long post times. In some cases, when we have characters crossover, it makes it more difficult to manage production. It's not the goal to put out more than one or two [each] year ... The complex one is really The Defenders. The Defenders' production schedule will determine a lot of the season 2 and 3 output of those shows." He also noted on potential spin-offs that "all the characters in the universe could also spin out" into their own series at some point, with Netflix ordering Marvel's The Punisher, a spin-off from Daredevil, that April. Sarandos later stated that Netflix was trying to close the gap between releases of Marvel seasons, but would always prioritize the quality of the series over higher numbers of releases per year. He also said that Netflix was open to exploring the MCU beyond the Defenders series, including potential crossovers with ABC's Marvel series.

In August 2016, Marvel announced that Marvel's Runaways had received a pilot order from Hulu, eventually receiving a 10 episode order the following May. That July, Loeb confirmed the series would take place in the MCU saying, "It all lives in the same world, how it’s connected and where it’s connected and what it’s going to be connected to remains to be seen." He added that the characters would not be concerned with the actions of other in the universe, instead focusing on their own issues. This allowed showrunners Josh Schwartz and Stephanie Savage to deal with concepts such as superheroics and fantasy without explaining them to the audience, since they are already well established in the MCU, while still focusing on their own characters, which they described as "liberating". Also that month, it was announced that Marvel and Netflix would complete production on 135 episodes by the end of 2017, making the deal the largest television production commitment in New York State. Production for the different series had engaged 500 local vendors and small businesses for various stages of development, and had required over 14,000 production-related hires. By November 2017, Disney was looking to develop a new Marvel television series for their planned streaming service.

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The Kid

Yeah I'd keep them separate as well. I mean the Marvel shows are part of the MCU but ever since Feige freed himself of Ike, the two are basically separate. The TV shows still reference the Avengers but never the other way around. Movies will always take precedence so unless you're doing street level characters or smaller characters that might not need a film, no point in connecting canons. It will only hurt

My reply-
To tell you the truth, if the Characters from the mcu shows make appearances in the mcu movies that's fine,and if they don't? That's fine as well as far as i am concern.
None of the original new characters that first appeared in star trek deep space nine made appearances in the movies for example and i was fine with it.


Here some views about the mcu shows and movie crossovers.

by Eddie
I did a full MCU film binge before Civil War, and the last two Phase 2 films actually have subtle AoS connections that apparently went over everyone's heads. Nick Fury got the Helicarrier from "old friends". He's referring to Coulson. Not only do we see that in AoS, Coulson's also the only common friend of Fury and the Avengers that could have possibly hooked him up with one. Ant-Man also reveals to the film audience that Hydra is still around despite being"finished" in Ultron... except AoS viewers were already in on that thanks to the S2 finale. They're small connection, but they do exist (Fury's dialogue in particular really couldn't have been referring to anyone else).

by belltown213-0-557076
There was even a little Agent Carter Easter egg shout out to the character Dottie Underwood in Civil War when Bucky told Cap he used to date a red head named Dot back in the 50's.
Infinity War will probably feature a bunch of MCU TV character similar to how the X-Men series just spotlights the main mutants while the rest are there as wall paper to fill out a scene.


by Neoxon
For the record, most of the issues concerning the TV side of the MCU is mainly with the characters (be it Quake, Coulson, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Misty Knight, Punisher, & now Ghost Rider) crossing over into the movies (Ex: Infinity War), not if the TV/Netflix stuff is actually canon or not. Feige himself said that having the TV characters at some point is inevitable, & it's not like anything in the movies directly contradicts what's on the TV/Netflix shows (or vice versa). Both the TV/Netflix shows & the movies are still in Earth-19999, it's just that Perlmutter is supposedly holding back the characters from being able to cross over into the ensemble films. Hopefully they can work this out by the time the Inhumans movie drops (likely 2021, judging by Feige's recent comments at Comic Con), so they can at least make a slight nod to the Inhumans outside of Attilan.

by Josh Harper
What does Ashley mean when she says "There's no connection between the movie and tv universes"? They are still in the same universe, and even if the references are small they would still make no sense at all if they weren't in the same universe, also Leob and Feige have both acknowledged the films, ABC shows and Netflix shows are all in the MCU (I'm certain of this because I was searching for quotes on the subject recently). Unless she means creatively they are seperate, then yeah, that's completely true.

byJosh Harper
"If you ignore Agents of SHIELD" that's like saying if I ignore the fact that I have a heart then I'm actually dead. Ignoring something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You're right that Agents of SHIELD has much bigger references to the MCU and is very clearly linked with the multiple cameos and guest appearances from movie characters (Lady Sif, Maria Hill, Nick Fury, even Coulson himself), but the Netflix shows do clearly have links, albeit much smaller ones, but we do literally see Stark tower in a picture, The Hulk in a picture, a Levitation in a picture, Hammer Tech weapons, name drops of Stark and Captain America, etc. Whilst they are small, yes, they are still showing us quite clearly that it's the same universe. Leob has confirmed it many times and Feige has said "We want to incorporate the show characters into the movies" meaning even he deems them canon to the MCU.

Cedric House
you don't need to cross in order to know it's in the same world they freaking name drop Tony stark in luke cage

Bajan Samurai
Yeah, it is clearly all in the same universe, it is just people get forgetful of crossover instances (Fury or Lady Sif showing up before) or over assume when news of behind the scenes division of control (cinema properties - TV properties) comes up. The issue is that some people assumed that connected meant all showing up occasionally and all referencing each other, which was never their intent.
It is not easy to get as many movie stars to make a TV appearance (scheduling, location) and it is not easy to synchronize an event from a TV show [that could have been filmed last month or last week and shown today] with an event(s) following it in a film that had wrapped photography a year prior and still comes out after the TV event. It is harder to plan for a movie to reference a TV show's events that it doesn't even know will be happening when they are already filming.
The one they (sort of) pulled off was inferring that Coulson was responsible for Nick Fury acquiring the helicarrier they used in Avengers: AoU, but even that probably required a lot of pre-planning since the AoS probably had not even fully fleshed out how their season was going to go.

by Zaxlon16722
Darragh Tate Thank you! I swear, people keep saying it's not connected, it's driving me crazy! Freaking Sam Jackson and Lady Sif have appeared in multiple episodes! That alone is all the proof they need!



Oh and another character from the mcu movie the avengers was on season 3 of agents of shield.He was one of the folks nick fury was speaking to in private on the screen.

by Midlife Comix2
Gonna have to disagree with you on the whole "They would have just called the Avengers" thing. As we know from comics the FF, Avengers, X-Men, etc don't just pop up in each others comics all the time that easily to clean things up. How many times has Spidey been outmatched and ran to the Avengers, the Sanctum Santorum, or the Baxter Building only for those teams to conveniently be "out of town"? 1000's of times. So when it happens in Live Action it's different? Not at all. You see Daredevil fight things like Vampires but does he just call Blade every time? Nope! So why would that HAVE to happen in Live Action? And as far as references not only was "The Incident" referred to but also the Hulk, Thor, Cap, etc Cottonmouth mentions Cap, and Method raps about Iron man in Luke Cage. Yes I get some of these are obscure references but references none the less. Also remember [SPOILERS for DD Season 2] when Frank grabs that CD labeled "Micro" from his house before blowing it up? Skye aka Daisy from Agents of SHIELD mentions her hacker friend "Microchip" and this was way back in Season 1 of that show. For those that don't know Microchip is The Punishers partner in his war supplying the Punisher with weapons and tech support. Also if youve been watching AoS theres at least FOUR different direct references, technology, and direct dialog from previously aired episodes of AoS that "somehow" made it into Civil War. Not a coincidence.



I'm not trying to tear you down John (honestly Im a big fan) but it rustles my jimmy when ppl just brush off things without filling in all the details and how things that happen very commonplace in comics (like heroes HAVING to show up in others comics comics ALL the time in order for them to be connected) when that rarely happens in actual comics but yet when it comes to Live Action it has different rules or something? Same rules, it works out exactly the same in Live Action as it does in the comics. Luke Cage wasnt even created until 15 years AFTER the Avengers yet ppl want them to meet in less than a year of both being in Live Action together? Huh? If you look at these like actual comics you'll see as of now there's no difference. To me the first test will be where [Defenders SPOILER] Misty gets her new Bionic arm from. Will it be Stark Tech like in the comics or not? Or will it be Hammer Tech (just like from Luke Cage AND Iron Man 2, yet another reference). That to me will be our first big test.

Thanks for listening and keep it up, John. Like I said Im a fan. And spread the word that ppl should truly look at the MCU like actual comics and the rules for both are no different. Heroes RARELY pop up to save each other in each others comics and Cap doesnt have to show up on Netflix (and vice versa) for things to be connected. The Savage Land also exists in the MCU somewhere so do we need Devil Dinosaur to show up in Jessica Jones Season 2 to confirm that? Nope.

Nomnso Okeke2 hours ago
The events of the Defenders were under the radar of the Avengers, and they weren't even in NYC anyway. They're either in upstate NY or in hiding. The Avengers team is also under the Sokovia accords so they couldn't have just swept in and dealt with The Hand. It's not quite as disconnected as you say, John, especially as AoS still follows the various themes of the films. There doesn't have to be a crossover, we can simply get Easter Eggs and small bits of information that lets us know that they exist in the movie universe without actually showing up. Luke Cage on the news, Rand Enterprises/Danny Rand on the front page of a magazine, a news subtitle stating that Wilson Fisk has been released from prison, something about the Inhumans, etc. No actual crossover or physical presence, just something small that casual fans won't notice but hardcore fans would adore the MCU for. Everyone knows that the scheduling conflict makes the possibility of a film crossover too difficult, and Marvel is going more cosmic anyway