Black Panther vs Captain America (Movieverse)

[MidTierHero]

Again, as Hiromi pointed out in another thread, the helicopter thing isn't really a feat of strength.

It absolutely is a strength feat. Do you think anyone could do that?

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

It absolutely is a strength feat. Do you think anyone could do that?

Throw of the weight of a smaller civilian helicopter such that vertical take off is a highly dangerous thing to attempt?

Yes.

Hold a smaller civilian helicopter from making a lateral take off (much safer when the the weight's thrown off) by using leverage (barely managing to do so, at that) after being dragged across the helipad?

It's out there, but not exactly a ridiculous feat of strength. Kicking a pickup truck hard enough to send a man flying is a better feat, really.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Hiromi is mistaken. The helicopter's engine couldn't pull hard enough to break Cap's grip strength, and he WAS pulling it back, he was overpowering it.

Going to point out he was losing his grip until he buckled down, and even then was still losing the fight. Then Bucky decided slamming the helicopter into the Helipad was an intelligent strategy.

But a helicopter that small would have a hell of a time breaking a line tying it down. What Cap did is not nearly as impressive as you want it to be. Sorry.

[rhyvurg]

Going to point out he was losing his grip until he buckled down, and even then was still losing the fight. Then Bucky decided slamming the helicopter into the Helipad was an intelligent strategy.

But a helicopter that small would have a hell of a time breaking a line tying it down. What Cap did is not nearly as impressive as you want it to be. Sorry.

Losing? He was pulling it down, he wasn't losing anything.

[Username taken]

Losing? He was pulling it down, he wasn't losing anything.

Exactly.

He was pulling the copter down meaning he wasn't just preventing the copter from moving he was overpowering its ascent.

I would say that counts as a strength feat.

[Sharpandpointies]

Not sure how much this affects the discussion, nor if this is the exact helicopter in question (I haven't seen the movie), but here are some specs for a civilian helicopter.

http://deltahelicopters.com/bell206b.html

There's a maximum external load limit of 1000 lbs. It's not like these things can pick up cars or anything.

[rhyvurg]

True, but he's resisting 1,000 pounds of lift with just four fingers and a thumb.

[WhiteKnight344]

Dude kicked a truck hard enough to send a guy on the other side flying, lifts motorcycles with people on them, and other such feats of strength, and you think resisting a thousand pounds is some insane feat?

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Dude kicked a truck hard enough to send a guy on the other side flying, lifts motorcycles with people on them, and other such feats of strength, and you think resisting a thousand pounds is some insane feat?

Pretty much. It's not nearly as good as it looks.

[StupidMoniker]

I would say the chopper looks most like an AS350 which has a useful load of over 2400 pounds (since I can't find a number for lift force from the rotor, we can use this as the max force Cap is resisting). Holding against that force with one hand is pretty beastly, certainly right up there with throwing the motorcycle. I think the kicking the truck feat is the best strength feat he has, outside of damaging Iron Man's armor (though I would say that last one is dubious).

[Klaxton]

The full fight is online now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4taiDNSdCSE

[Hiromi]

Hiromi is mistaken. The helicopter's engine couldn't pull hard enough to break Cap's grip strength, and he WAS pulling it back, he was overpowering it.

Go look at the clip, unless Disney's killed it already, the second he grabs the helicopter it starts to lean towards him, no pilot who knows anything about helicopters is going to keep going up when that happens, and when he decides to go sideways Cap gets dragged along for the ride without much resistance until he's able to grab the bar(where it does become a pure strength feat). And since the Helicopter is still doing every bit as much of the work when it's going sideways as when it's going up I'd say saying Cap overpowered it is at odds with what's on the screen

[MidTierHero]

No, the helicopter dips towards him initially. Then the helicopter drags Cap laterally... because Cap has nothing to grab onto, and he has the body weight of a muscular guy. By the time they are in a tug of war, with Cap holding onto the railing, there is no dipping. It is a clear strength feat, though not Cap's best.

[rhyvurg]

Go look at the clip, unless Disney's killed it already, the second he grabs the helicopter it starts to lean towards him, no pilot who knows anything about helicopters is going to keep going up when that happens, and when he decides to go sideways Cap gets dragged along for the ride without much resistance until he's able to grab the bar(where it does become a pure strength feat). And since the Helicopter is still doing every bit as much of the work when it's going sideways as when it's going up I'd say saying Cap overpowered it is at odds with what's on the screen

I think you're forgetting that when he had the chopper and the rail and was pulling it down, the chopper was giving off alarms. Bucky was overtaxing the engine trying to break away.

[Username taken]

I think you're forgetting that when he had the chopper and the rail and was pulling it down, the chopper was giving off alarms. Bucky was overtaxing the engine trying to break away.

Exactly.

The helicopter was alarming before Bucky decided to crash it.