Should the Justice Society exist in the main DCU?

[Dataweaver]

If you accept what Doomsday Clock says about the New 52 Earth zero becoming Earth 52, then you should also accept what it has to say about the pre-crisis Earth One and the Golden Age Earth 2. All I'm doing is taking that and putting the Earths that Doomsday Clock described in context: the “Earth 52” that Johns named exists in the context of an Orrery of Worlds that also includes the Earth 3 seen in Forever Evil and the Earth 2 seen in the eponymous series, both of which involved significant interactions with “Earth 52”. So I'm inclined to call “Earth 52” the Earth 0 of a “New 52 Orrery of Worlds”, which was outlined in Morrison's Multiversity — because that's what the Multiverse was at the time.

Likewise, Johns' “Earth-1985” and “Earth 2” are basically the Earth One and Earth Two of the pre-Crisis Infinite Earths. At a minimum, the other Earths they interacted with (the preg Crisis Earth 3, Earth S, Earth X, the homeworlds of Lady Quark and Pariah, Earth 4, and Earth Prime) should exist in the same “context” as them.

Finally, the last issue of Death Metal stated that not only was the Multiverse restored (with changes), but universe and even multiverses beyond the 52-world Orrery were coming into existence. It's possible that at least some of these new multiverses are old multiverses reborn — likely, even, given how the creators' intent was to make everything available to the writers going forward.

[MajorHoy]

NOTE: This thread / poll was started back in May of 2016.

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With 164 people having voted,

* The classic JSA should exist on the main Earth = 86 votes
* The JSA should be on another Earth if they're around at all = 61 votes
* The JSA should be on the main Earth, but with alterations = 17 votes

[Menacer]

Ill probably be shot for this but there should just be some were time incident as part of Infinite Frontier and should be brought into the modern time period.

They can all be sorta confused and out of place ala Captain America type deal.

Then let the battling and social awkwardness commence.

[mathew101281]

I use to be a “need their own earth” guy, but seeing how they have been treated since the new 52 leads me to belief that they need to be on the main earth to get any serious play. It’s clear rather then giving them room to breath, being shunted off to an alternative earth has been a one way ticket to obscurity for the JSA. They have a similar problem as the Legion of Superheroes in that they are so far removed from the day to day goings on of DCU that that they seem pointless. It worked back in the day because major line wide events weren’t the driving force of the genre back then. These days if your not available for most line wide crossovers your kind of irrelevant.

[MajorHoy]

I use to be a “need their own earth” guy, but seeing how they have been treated since the new 52 leads me to belief that they need to be on the main earth to get any serious play. It’s clear rather then giving them room to breathe, being shunted off to an alternative earth has been a one way ticket to obscurity for the JSA. They have a similar problem as the Legion of Superheroes in that they are so far removed from the day to day goings on of DCU that that they seem pointless. It worked back in the day because major line wide events weren’t the driving force of the genre back then. These days if your not available for most line wide crossovers your kind of irrelevant.

Uh, and really, how "relevant" are they now?

Maybe things will change after Infinite Frontier wraps up, but between the start of Rebirth and Infinite Frontier #0 they weren't very over-exposed.

[MajorHoy]

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NOTE: This thread / poll was started back in May of 2016.

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With 165 people having voted,

* The classic JSA should exist on the main Earth = 86 votes
* The JSA should be on another Earth if they're around at all = 61 votes
* The JSA should be on the main Earth, but with alterations = 18 votes (+ 1)

[Stanlos]

I voted the first option as even with the Earth 1& 2 thing it always seemed that the JSA had been a thing on both

[the illustrious mr. kenway]

I preffered them on Earth 2 but I'm fine with them in the main DCU.

[Dataweaver]

As of New Golden Age, they seem to be going as close to the second option as possible, while actually doing the third option (“with some alterations” being the addition of the Thirteen, and with Huntress being inserted into the future). Think of Earth 0's 20th century as “Earth 2” and its 21st century as “Earth 1”…

[MajorHoy]

NOTE: This thread / poll was started back in May of 2016.

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With 169 people having voted,

* The classic JSA should exist on the main Earth
= 89 votes (+ 3)
* The JSA should be on another Earth if they're around at all
= 62 votes (+ 1)
* The JSA should be on the main Earth, but with alterations
= 18 votes

[MajorHoy]

NOTE: This thread / poll was started back in May of 2016.

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With 172 people having voted,

* The classic JSA should exist on the main Earth
= 91 votes (+ 2)
* The JSA should be on another Earth if they're around at all
= 62 votes
* The JSA should be on the main Earth, but with alterations
= 19 votes (+ 1)

[Zero Hunter]

I use to be a “need their own earth” guy, but seeing how they have been treated since the new 52 leads me to belief that they need to be on the main earth to get any serious play. It’s clear rather then giving them room to breath, being shunted off to an alternative earth has been a one way ticket to obscurity for the JSA. They have a similar problem as the Legion of Superheroes in that they are so far removed from the day to day goings on of DCU that that they seem pointless. It worked back in the day because major line wide events weren’t the driving force of the genre back then. These days if your not available for most line wide crossovers your kind of irrelevant.

I always thought of them being on their own Earth a strength not a weakness. Books like Earth 2 or the Legion can do things you would never dream of being able to do in a main DCU book. It gives writers more freedom to really let their imigination run wild. It is a shame most writers don't see this and just play it safe.

[Timber Wolf-By-Night]

I always thought of them being on their own Earth a strength not a weakness. Books like Earth 2 or the Legion can do things you would never dream of being able to do in a main DCU book. It gives writers more freedom to really let their imigination run wild. It is a shame most writers don't see this and just play it safe.

The problem with your claim is that far, FAR too often, writers DON'T actually let their imaginations "run wild," they just jump straight to doing things for no other reason than shock value.

Marvel let Jeph Loeb, stlll grieving his son's death, write the Ultimatum event for their Ultimate line...and with its cataclysmic events that its heroes couldn't foresee or stop, let alone save millions of lives from including half of their own, it's nearly universally regarded as the story that sealed the Ultimate line's death notice. And let's not even get into the cluster**** of mass murder and heroes failing to save even their own from death or being shoved into the background to make room for the characters that the post-Robinson writers wanted to use instead that Earth-2 turned into despite literally NOBODY in the audience wanting to see that happen. That's not imaginative, or brave, or creative, or "imaginations running wild." That's cynical, creative bankruptcy on the part of "creators" who care so little about the characters they're writing about that they're willing to assume that the audience doesn't care about them, either.

And honestly, of what use is Captain Amazing or whatever hero being called "the greatest hero of their world" if their world and their adventure aren't being featured anywhere? That' NOT a strength. If the only thing the JSA gets even close to featuring on a regular basis is some yearly team-up with the Justice League and nothing else, SO WHAT? That just means the rest of the year they're not appearing anywhere. And even when they are featured somewhere but on another Earth, how often are they really "doing something that can't be done on the main Earth"?

[Bruce Wayne]

The problem with your claim is that far, FAR too often, writers DON'T actually let their imaginations "run wild," they just jump straight to doing things for no other reason than shock value.

Marvel let Jeph Loeb, stlll grieving his son's death, write the Ultimatum event for their Ultimate line...and with its cataclysmic events that its heroes couldn't foresee or stop, let alone save millions of lives from including half of their own, it's nearly universally regarded as the story that sealed the Ultimate line's death notice. And let's not even get into the cluster**** of mass murder and heroes failing to save even their own from death or being shoved into the background to make room for the characters that the post-Robinson writers wanted to use instead that Earth-2 turned into despite literally NOBODY in the audience wanting to see that happen. That's not imaginative, or brave, or creative, or "imaginations running wild." That's cynical, creative bankruptcy on the part of "creators" who care so little about the characters they're writing about that they're willing to assume that the audience doesn't care about them, either.

And honestly, of what use is Captain Amazing or whatever hero being called "the greatest hero of their world" if their world and their adventure aren't being featured anywhere? That' NOT a strength. If the only thing the JSA gets even close to featuring on a regular basis is some yearly team-up with the Justice League and nothing else, SO WHAT? That just means the rest of the year they're not appearing anywhere. And even when they are featured somewhere but on another Earth, how often are they really "doing something that can't be done on the main Earth"?

Well said. All very good points.

[The Darknight Detective]

The problem with your claim is that far, FAR too often, writers DON'T actually let their imaginations "run wild," they just jump straight to doing things for no other reason than shock value.

Marvel let Jeph Loeb, stlll grieving his son's death, write the Ultimatum event for their Ultimate line...and with its cataclysmic events that its heroes couldn't foresee or stop, let alone save millions of lives from including half of their own, it's nearly universally regarded as the story that sealed the Ultimate line's death notice. And let's not even get into the cluster**** of mass murder and heroes failing to save even their own from death or being shoved into the background to make room for the characters that the post-Robinson writers wanted to use instead that Earth-2 turned into despite literally NOBODY in the audience wanting to see that happen. That's not imaginative, or brave, or creative, or "imaginations running wild." That's cynical, creative bankruptcy on the part of "creators" who care so little about the characters they're writing about that they're willing to assume that the audience doesn't care about them, either.

And honestly, of what use is Captain Amazing or whatever hero being called "the greatest hero of their world" if their world and their adventure aren't being featured anywhere? That' NOT a strength. If the only thing the JSA gets even close to featuring on a regular basis is some yearly team-up with the Justice League and nothing else, SO WHAT? That just means the rest of the year they're not appearing anywhere. And even when they are featured somewhere but on another Earth, how often are they really "doing something that can't be done on the main Earth"?

I grew up in a time when the JSA were on their own world and were featured regularly. It's not like it couldn't happen again.