(MCU) Did anyone else find Rhodey extremely annoying in Cap 3: Civil War?

[MichaelC]

Only way to ensure freedom is for government to have zero authority over super-types. And we've already seen how horribly corrupt these governmental organizations are in these movies.

That doesn't make any sense at all. Rogers has assumed a role that combines the duties of a cop and soldier. When cops and soldiers are free, no one else is. Regulating cops and soldiers is necessary to preserve the freedom of the common man.

[Username taken]

Rhodey was a voice of reason.

He was right in telling Cap this isn't one shadow organization or something, it was the UN.

Rhodes is a soldier and his POV reflected that. Cheadle isn't also a damn good actor too. I don't see the problem at all.

[XPac]

Best line in the movie.

Cap just helped assault how many police officers doing their perfectly reasonable, perfectly normal job? Causing how much damage to flesh and property?

Cap was acting like the world police, and as if he had authority over all people, everywhere, and a right to hurt whoever he felt like hurting. His friend was going to be arrested for crimes... well, okeh, people had seen his friend do them. He can stand trial. That's how arrests and trials work. It's a system. But, this guy, in a foreign country, would rather put a few dozen honest, good people in the hospital than have his friend even risk a trial, because his friend counts more than those jerks. (And, because there's an activation code for his friend, but he can't say that to anyone? Anyone?)

That's selfish. That's unthinking.

Tony and Steve screw up nonstop in Civil War, even though both have their hearts in the right place. I figured that was the point. Everyone in that movie, including Rhodey and Vision and Steve and Wanda make probably not the best decisions. But Cap makes some of the dumbest of all.

In all fairness those cops weren't trying to arrest Bucky. They had shoot to kill orders. If they were just going to take him in he would have likely handled it differently.

[XPac]

Didn't think anyone from the movie was annoying tbh. And Rhodey's dramatic scene was also so well done which made me feel for him even more despite being on Cap's side. At times Rhodey does feel like a government yes man, but that's sorta part of his character.

To people saying regulation was the right answer: If Cap was ever truely responsible for damage that a city or people wanted to sue him for, they could. You don't need regulation to do that and a lack of regulation doesn't make the Avengers unable to be sued. Regulation in fact just makes it harder to sue someone because they can just claim that they didn't do anything wrong if you're trying to sue for a reason that doesn't already have a specific regulation. If they're following the rules set before them then how can they have done anything wrong?

I didn't feel too bad for Rodney simply because if he had his way Falcon would have been shot out of the sky rather than him. And Falcon doesn't wear armor so he wouldn't have had a chance to survive. Rodney got what he was hoping would happen to someone else so he'should not deserving of that much sympathy in my book.

[Star_Jammer]

In all fairness those cops weren't trying to attest Bucky. They had shoot to kill orders. If they were just going to take him in he would have likely handled it differently.

It's best we just leave out that detail.

[XPac]

That doesn't make any sense at all. Rogers has assumed a role that combines the duties of a cop and soldier. When cops and soldiers are free, no one else is. Regulating cops and soldiers is necessary to preserve the freedom of the common man.

That's understandable on paper. In practice Ross demonstrated to Stark exactly why a system where the government calls the shots just can't work. Stark had evidence Zero framed Bucky and Ross didn't even bother looking. Until the government becomes competent enough to oversea the heroes without flat out getting in the way the heroes need enough free reign to do the job.

Oversight I'd understate but we're seeing right out of the gate that it's preventing the heroes from doing what needs to be done. And that doesn't help anyone.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I didn't feel too bad for Rodney simply because if he had his way Falcon would have been shot out of the sky rather than him. And Falcon doesn't wear armor so he wouldn't have had a chance to survive. Rodney got what he was hoping would happen to someone else so he'should not deserving of that much sympathy in my book.

In all fairness, Vision could have just been aiming to take out Falcon's wing. Sam can survive that loss easily.

Though really, I don't know why Rhodes didn't just turn around and handle Falcon himself, lol

[MichaelC]

Vision had been ordered to "turn Falcon into a glider". In other words, Falcon could still do a controlled landing without thrust, he just couldn't continue the chase. Rhodey, though, is basically a rocket: he flies completely via thrust. Take away his thrust, and he doesn't glide; he immediately drops like the non-aerodynamic lump of steel he is.

[Tony Stark]

In all fairness those cops weren't trying to arrest Bucky. They had shoot to kill orders. If they were just going to take him in he would have likely handled it differently.

Those cops thought that they were dealing with a superhuman assassin that just blew up a building that killed T'Challa's father.

[Tony Stark]

Vision had been ordered to "turn Falcon into a glider". In other words, Falcon could still do a controlled landing without thrust, he just couldn't continue the chase. Rhodey, though, is basically a rocket: he flies completely via thrust. Take away his thrust, and he doesn't glide; he immediately drops like the non-aerodynamic lump of steel he is.

Exactly. Well said. Don't know why people don't get that.

[UltimateTy]

Nope. He was logical throughout the movie.

[Holt]

Nope. What he said was completely reasonable in the context of the film. The Avengers were initially a SHIELD team under the supervision of Nick Fury. As soon as SHIELD was no longer in the picture, they built a murderbot that killed a bunch of innocent people. They allowed a walking time bomb onto the team and then got surprised when the enemy took advantage of said time bomb and had him injure (and possibly kill) a bunch of people on foreign soil. They then let the person responsible for the Hulk's rampage join the team, presumably without ever having her put on trial or face judgement for her actions.

The Avengers have made a series of stupid decisions in the movies that absolutely lend ammo to the argument that they need to be answerable to someone.

[Star_Jammer]

Nope. What he said was completely reasonable in the context of the film. The Avengers were initially a SHIELD team under the supervision of Nick Fury. As soon as SHIELD was no longer in the picture, they built a murderbot that killed a bunch of innocent people. They allowed a walking time bomb onto the team and then got surprised when the enemy took advantage of said time bomb and had him injure (and possibly kill) a bunch of people on foreign soil. They then let the person responsible for the Hulk's rampage join the team, presumably without ever having her put on trial or face judgement for her actions.

The Avengers have made a series of stupid decisions in the movies that absolutely end ammo to the argument that they need to be answerable to someone.

Would you consider nearly all superhero comics to be a sham, then?

[XPac]

Those cops thought that they were dealing with a superhuman assassin that just blew up a building that killed T'Challa's father.

And the problem is they ended up being wrong. That's the downside with opting to just kill someone rather than give them a fair trial. In this case if not for Cap Bucky would have been killed for a crime he didn't commit. So IMO Steve was justified in stopping them.

[Holt]

Would you consider nearly all superhero comics to be a sham, then?

No, but when they specifically, textually raise the issue of whether or not the heroes need oversight in the movie, you have to actually look at the evidence put forth. Looking at what happens in the previous movies yes, Rhodey's stance is absolutely legitimate.