Throwdown: Renew Your Vows VS Spider-Girl's First Appearance

[Mister Mets]

I'm curious which alternate future for Peter and MJ is more popular.

The question is just about what story you liked better: the Renew Your Vows mini-series, or What If? #105, which has reprinted as Spider-Girl #0.

[oldschool]

RYV for me and it's not close, much as I enjoyed What If #105.

[Spidercide]

What If #105 utilized the marriage and Peter and MJ's daughter more effectively but it's a unfair comparison.

One was a Spider-Man story where he had a wife and daughter the other is a Mayday story where she is the daughter of Spider-man and MJ.

It's like comparing Flash Venom to Brock. they are just differey

[Phantom Roxas]

It's also comparing an entire miniseries to a single issue.

[Walker]

Tough choice. I have read little of Spider-Girl but I loved what I saw. Renew Your Vows is really good story as well.
But as another user said it's an entire miniseries against a single issue. What If #105 started something great but just the issue alone might not be able to compete.

[Confuzzled]

I preferred the The Incredibles-esque feel of RYV to Mayday's debut, so I voted for RYV despite enjoying both. Even if this just pitted RYV #1 against What If? #105, my vote would have gone to RYV #1, but it is close.

[Mister Mets]

What If #105 utilized the marriage and Peter and MJ's daughter more effectively but it's a unfair comparison.

One was a Spider-Man story where he had a wife and daughter the other is a Mayday story where she is the daughter of Spider-man and MJ.

It's like comparing Flash Venom to Brock. they are just differey

The point of a comparison is to look at different things and figure out which is better.

Will the fruit of the year be an orange or an apple?

It's also comparing an entire miniseries to a single issue.

If you're figuring out your favorite comic book stories, some are going to be standalones and some are going to be TPB length.

A ranking of the best Spider-Man stories is going to include The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man and Amazing Fantasy #15 as well as Kraven's Last Hunt.

[Spidercide]

The point of a comparison is to look at different things and figure out which is better.

Will the fruit of the year be an orange or an apple?


If you're figuring out your favorite comic book stories, some are going to be standalones and some are going to be TPB length.

A ranking of the best Spider-Man stories is going to include The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man and Amazing Fantasy #15 as well as Kraven's Last Hunt.

But the innate nature of the stories render it impossible to properly measure them against one another. They are inherently different.

At most you can discuss dialogue, art, pacing maybe how thematically they jive with the world of Spider-Man but they are still too different.

[Pav]

But the innate nature of the stories render it impossible to properly measure them against one another. They are inherently different.

At most you can discuss dialogue, art, pacing maybe how thematically they jive with the world of Spider-Man but they are still too different.

So what can't you discuss/compare, exactly?

-Pav, who doesn't care about "better" but does have more of an emotional connection to Mayday...

[Tuck]

So what can't you discuss/compare, exactly?

Individual issues of RYV are better than the What If? story. But the middle issues of RYV stumble, and so May's introduction is a better whole story.

It also benefits from using Normie. Regent's just some villain, without even getting into how good or bad the character is in the story. Readers are already invested in the Parker/Osborn dynamic.

[Cmbmool]

May I give my two cents to the argument:

One was a great mini series showing of Peter and Mary Jane as parents. It had a bland villain, but fun character moments.

The other gave birth to what I call a legacy series. It continued the legacy of Spider-man, but through his daughter eyes. It had elements familiar to Spidey fans.

It had natural progression to the daughter as opposed to Annie quickly gaining her powers at a young age during the mini and not in her teenage years like normal kid super beings that aren't Franklin Richards or the Power Pack.

So it's so simple,who wins: What if ? 105 hands down.

[Pav]

Individual issues of RYV are better than the What If? story. But the middle issues of RYV stumble, and so May's introduction is a better whole story.

It also benefits from using Normie. Regent's just some villain, without even getting into how good or bad the character is in the story. Readers are already invested in the Parker/Osborn dynamic.

Well, you can compare the strength of each part of the story - beginning and middle and end - regardless of the length of each.

And you can definitely compare the villains; I mean, your point makes sense to me in favor of Mayday's origin issue.

-Pav, who liked RYV well enough...

[theoneandonly]

I haven't read RYV so I am biased in favor of What if? 105

[David Walton]

I honestly can't choose. I love them both with a passion. They each embody pretty much everything I love about Spider-Man.

[Celgress]

What If? #105 is still my favorite.