How should Rebirth fix everything?

[Bruce Wayne]

How do you guys think that Rebirth should fix the DCU and resolve the contradiction between the DCnU and the DCU now that we know:

spoilers:

a) Wally is back b) Dr. Manhattan messed up the DCU for some reason and it's not really DCnU, but really our DCU ten years laters c) Nu52 Superman isn't Superman and neither is the claimed Post-Crisis version, the JSA exist but forgotten, there are three Jokers etc

end of spoilers

For example how do you
a) restore the history of the Teen Titans,
b) fix the situation in Superman,
c) how do you resolve the contradictions in Wonder Woman and restore her old cast such as Donna, Artemis and Cassie?
d) how should they fix the Flash or Bart/Kid-Flash? What should they do with the old pre-Nu52 cast? Leave them in limbo? Or restore them?

[DurararaFTW]

DCnU is just ten years longer, had a Justice Society and thus is much more like DCU then we thought, it still isn't actually DCU. And that's okay.

[colonyofcells]

Rebirth seems like just a tease about how they will fix continuity but it looks like they will take at least 2 years to fix the continuity so the customers have to buy another 2 years worth of comic books.
Rebirth could've fixed all the problems in continuity instead of just giving a tease :
For example how do you
a) restore the history of the Teen Titans by putting Cyborg in Teen Titans first, then the Justice League. A simple retcon could've done this.
b) There was no need to kill the new 52 superman. If they really wanted a married superman, just do a retcon on superman to restore the pre flashpoint version.
c) resolve the contradictions in Wonder Woman by doing a retcon to restore the history of donna, artemis and cassie.
d) A simple retcon can fix the history of Barry, Wally, Bart Allen and the black Wally.
I am also not sure why Rebirth is letting people jump on into a temporary version of Superman. Dc should've just started Rebirth with the new 52 superman instead of pulling a surprise return of the new 52 superman on everyone later on. Why not fix New 52 Superman from issue 1 ?

[MajorHoy]

DC Universe Rebirth doesn't "fix" anything. It opens the door for how some things can be revised/revived, but it also causes its own set of problems and contradictions. It's the set-up that could cause DC to need a new Zero Hour: Crisis in Rebirth Time in the not-too-distant future to untangle everything half-started in DC Universe Rebirth.

[MajorHoy]

. . . a) restore the history of the Teen Titans by putting Cyborg in Teen Titans first, then the Justice League. A simple retcon could've done this.

But "Cyborg" can't be in the Teen Titans first if he doesn't become Cyborg until the Justice League is formed to fight Darkseid.
And would a non-Cyborg Vic Stone, who was basically a regular kid who played football, really contribute much to the early adventures of the New Teen Titans?

[colonyofcells]

Just have to move the origin of Cyborg earlier so he can be in Teen Titans first then Justice League which was the timeline of pre flashpoint.

[Carabas]

DC still has the same people in power, the same editor-in-chief...

I don't see how Rebirth could possibly be anything but a bandaid rather than a real fix.

[colonyofcells]

Dc is still disintegrating characters which will need to be fixed later by retcons or reboots.
For the JL origin, the white martian origin can be used as the real origin before the new 52 origin. If new 52 JL is the real origin, it is also possible for Cyborg to be a guest at the new 52 JL origin but Cyborg was not a member. Cyborg joins the teen titans and once cyborg got older, he became a real member of the JL.
As for how to fix the crime syndicate, just bring back the pre coie earth 3.
New Gods like Metron are easy to resurrect. I remember Kalibak and Darkseid have died before and they easily came back.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

DCnU is just ten years longer, had a Justice Society and thus is much more like DCU then we thought, it still isn't actually DCU. And that's okay.

Actually, it is our DCU, dude. The Wally who is narrating the whole Rebirth special is pre-FP Wally. Not some New 52 version. He talks about his origin; about him, Dick, Garth, Roy, and Donna founding the Teen Titans (as in, its actually the same exact roster with the same exact looks as they had the the early sixties); his assuming Barry's mantle after COIE; his life with Linda; his kids even show up; everything. So, its safe to assume that when he says that someone stole 10 years from the DCU, he's talking about the DCU we all know and love.

Therefore, the question really becomes: is DC saying that the entirety of DC history (that was canon post-Crisis at least) all happened in 15 years?

[MajorHoy]

Just have to move the origin of Cyborg earlier so he can be in Teen Titans first then Justice League which was the timeline of pre flashpoint.

Dc is still disintegrating characters which will need to be fixed later by retcons or reboots.
For the JL origin, the white martian origin can be used as the real origin before the new 52 origin. If new 52 JL is the real origin, it is also possible for Cyborg to be a guest at the new 52 JL origin but Cyborg was not a member. Cyborg joins the teen titans and once cyborg got older, he became a real member of the JL.

Unless you want the Teen Titans to go up against (and DEFEAT) Darkseid first, removing Vic's revised origin with Darkseid and Apokolips-related technology sort of negates the reason he was part of the initial Justice League story. And why would he be recruited into the JL if he starts as a Teen Titan? It wouldn't make any sense.

[Dataweaver]

I have no problem leaving Cyborg as a JL founder. That said, I'd love it if Bruce would ask him to keep tabs on Damian's Teen Titans.

[cranger]

Actually, it is our DCU, dude. The Wally who is narrating the whole Rebirth special is pre-FP Wally. Not some New 52 version. He talks about his origin; about him, Dick, Garth, Roy, and Donna founding the Teen Titans (as in, its actually the same exact roster with the same exact looks as they had the the early sixties); his assuming Barry's mantle after COIE; his life with Linda; his kids even show up; everything. So, its safe to assume that when he says that someone stole 10 years from the DCU, he's talking about the DCU we all know and love.

Therefore, the question really becomes: is DC saying that the entirety of DC history (that was canon post-Crisis at least) all happened in 15 years?

15 years plus whatever the span of New 52 canon equates. I don't know what anyone ever estimated it at before, but people always talk about how Marvel is locked into some 14 year history these days.

[Myskin]

EDIT. Reposted in another thread.

[Frontier]

I have no problem leaving Cyborg as a JL founder. That said, I'd love it if Bruce would ask him to keep tabs on Damian's Teen Titans.

Heck, he can still be a JL founder and have joined or become a member of the Titans at some point afterwards (Johns even left an opening for it). He'd still have been at the right age for the team .

[Francisco]

Rebirth isn't fixing anything. They are just appeasing Clois shippers by killing the current Superman and shoving down out throats the new Lois and Clark son.