The Post-Crisis Superman Era Begins

[SuperCrab]

Well, Superman died last week. I'll admit I read the DC Comics Universe Rebirth special to see what happened next, but I'm not buying tomorrow's Superman Rebirth #1 (And, going forward, I will think about it issue by issue, but I think it's a tough sell, especially on the Jon-dominated Superman title specifically). My Superman is gone.

Instead, I've got a small number of Marvel and Image subs, and am buying some back issues of Green Lantern and Green Arrow that went on sale to dig through.

What are you doing instead of buying SuperDad and SuperJon comics?

[Myskin]

Well, Superman died last week. I'll admit I read the DC Comics Universe Rebirth special to see what happened next, but I'm not buying tomorrow's Superman Rebirth #1 (And, going forward, I will think about it issue by issue, but I think it's a tough sell, especially on the Jon-dominated Superman title specifically). My Superman is gone.

Instead, I've got a small number of Marvel and Image subs, and am buying some back issues of Green Lantern and Green Arrow that went on sale to dig through.

What are you doing instead of buying SuperDad and SuperJon comics?

Darwyn Cooke's Parker books, Fantastic four Omnibus vol 3, several Image comics and tons of US independent/European/Japanese books. And SOLO Deluxe edition (I already have the whole series, but I like the collection).

[DieHard200904]

Well, Superman died last week. I'll admit I read the DC Comics Universe Rebirth special to see what happened next, but I'm not buying tomorrow's Superman Rebirth #1 (And, going forward, I will think about it issue by issue, but I think it's a tough sell, especially on the Jon-dominated Superman title specifically). My Superman is gone.

Instead, I've got a small number of Marvel and Image subs, and am buying some back issues of Green Lantern and Green Arrow that went on sale to dig through.

What are you doing instead of buying SuperDad and SuperJon comics?

1) Enjoying what I already have which ranges from The Black Cauldron comic adaptation all the way to various Elseworlds.
2) Enjoy some old TV show streamed (Young Justice, Superman: The Animated Series, Ruby Spears Superman, Max Fleischer Superman, etc.)
3) The Essential Spider-Man

[Last Son]

This is getting ridiculous. Wah wah wah Superdad ain't Superman! And what is the New 52 version? He's been around a mere five years and somehow he's the one true Superman? Really? Sorry dude, but just because this is the only version of the character you've liked, that doesn't mean Superman was created in 2011.

[GreenLanternRanger]

Do we really need another thread about how a,small group of people who hate superdad are going to other publishers out of spite!?


As a counter question, if the Superdad and Superjon comics do well and stay around for years to come would that in turn make you read more competition out of an even greater spite? Or would you just give up on comics altogether? Just curious how this works.

[D4BBT]

I may be being suckered in by DC, but the outside chance that Nuperman comes back is keeping me intrigued. I can't say I'm excited about Superfam. I'm not even keen on the concept of Clark and Lois being able to procreate. I wish they were on Earth 2, so the fans of "this" Superman could get what they want too. The idea of the stories focusing the family aspect just isn't appealing IMO. It's not like with Batman where you don't see Damian in every book. Supes is going to put family first, so instead of stories about Supes it's going to revolve around the family dynamic.

[GreenLanternRanger]

This is getting ridiculous. Wah wah wah Superdad ain't Superman! And what is the New 52 version? He's been around a mere five years and somehow he's the one true Superman? Really? Sorry dude, but just because this is the only version of the character you've liked, that doesn't mean Superman was created in 2011.

Conspiracy Theory Time: All the anti-Superdad posts are actually by Superboy Prime using multiple aliases who feels threatened now that the version who beat him on various occasions is back and is doing everything in his power to make sure he goes away again. XD

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[kingaliencracker]

*Sigh*

Look, I know there are fans not happy with the new status quo and I get it. But the highest-selling Superman comic last month only sold 38,000 copies, and I guarantee you at least half of that number are long-time readers who read Superman regardless.

There needed to be a change. They tried a few different things with N52 Superman, including a major shake-up in TRUTH, and none of it succeeded. I'm not saying this new direction will work, but I think it's fair to cease with the dramatics and give them a chance to see what they can do with the scenario.

[GodofBoredom]

Well, Superman died last week. I'll admit I read the DC Comics Universe Rebirth special to see what happened next, but I'm not buying tomorrow's Superman Rebirth #1 (And, going forward, I will think about it issue by issue, but I think it's a tough sell, especially on the Jon-dominated Superman title specifically). My Superman is gone.

Instead, I've got a small number of Marvel and Image subs, and am buying some back issues of Green Lantern and Green Arrow that went on sale to dig through.

What are you doing instead of buying SuperDad and SuperJon comics?

I've started re-reading Miracleman by Alan Moore and Invincible by Kirkman.

I'm slowly starting Supreme by Alan Moore, too.

For Marvel? Before, I was reading only Spiderman. Now I'll try some Avengers. I tried Hyperion, but it's not for me. Black Panther maybe.

[Myskin]

As a counter question, if the Superdad and Superjon comics do well and stay around for years to come would that in turn make you read more competition out of an even greater spite? Or would you just give up on comics altogether? Just curious how this works.

Well, I am not a SuperDad hater, but I think that the answer - as far as I am concerned, at least - is simply: I am not really interested in what DC is doing at this point.

[Will J.]

This is getting ridiculous. Wah wah wah Superdad ain't Superman! And what is the New 52 version? He's been around a mere five years and somehow he's the one true Superman? Really? Sorry dude, but just because this is the only version of the character you've liked, that doesn't mean Superman was created in 2011.

Given your avatar, I really shouldn't take your post seriously, considering that, as I'm sure you already know, Superman wasn't created in 1978 or 1986, either. But posters here have had to listen to fans of those versions bitch and moan about it, as if those versions should be exempt from changing with the times like all characters have to do to continue to survive.

Whether or not you were one of them doesn't really matter to me.

In response to the OP's post, I'm going to get back to my writing, read some quality novels and fan fiction and maybe dabble in a little more Marvel than I already am.

[DieHard200904]

I've started re-reading Miracleman by Alan Moore and Invincible by Kirkman.

I'm slowly starting Supreme by Alan Moore, too.

For Marvel? Before, I was reading only Spiderman. Now I'll try some Avengers. I tried Hyperion, but it's not for me. Black Panther maybe.

How is Supreme? Liking the guy so far?

[manofsteel1979]

I understand the upset,but to call this the "post-superman" era is hyperbole. This guy is still a version of Superman. Therefore, its not a post Superman era. It's more appropriate to call it the "post-52 Superman" era.

While I don't want to complain about the complainers, I will say that to keep starting new threads to make the same point over and over is counter productive. Feel free to express yourself, but be mindful that there are many here that are turned off by the constant negativity. Many are forgiving and in a conciliatory mood now, but if the same people are still making new threads to state their displeasure over the current direction 6 months from now, that conciliatory understanding will wear thin, and those people who are doing the complaining will be no better than the bitter fanboys/girls who were still bitching and moaning about Nuperman 4 years into the run.

I guess what I'm trying to say is everyone be courteous and use your common sense for the next while. Put yourself in the other side's shoes before posting.

[SuperCrab]

This is getting ridiculous. Wah wah wah Superdad ain't Superman! And what is the New 52 version? He's been around a mere five years and somehow he's the one true Superman? Really? Sorry dude, but just because this is the only version of the character you've liked, that doesn't mean Superman was created in 2011.

Superman was actually created in 1938, and even if SuperDad turns out to be the Post-Crisis Pre-Flashpoint Superman, he is not the Superman from 1938. We're really arguing about the 3rd versus the 4th Superman.

I get your point. However, this is a character who represents the majority of my Superman collection and only got 5 years, and still has a lot of things left to do. They're replacing him with a guy who got 25 years who didn't experience and won't remember most of the adventures from my collection (Which weren't him), even though he beat everyone three times, got the girl, married the girl, and had kids with the girl. It's also a strong push in the opposite direction from a tone standpoint- the most edgy modern Superman to date is replaced with what appears to be the corniest possible caricature, complete with a superhero 10 year old son.

I actually feel if they brought back the original Superman from 1938 and had him act and talk exactly like he did back then, it'd be less corny than this has the potential to be. That Superman had a little edge and in fact some aspects of the new52 Superman were essentially a direct callback to the edgier social crusader from back then, reincorporating character traits that the post-Crisis Superman didn't really have, but that go way back to the beginning- that's *legacy*.

Do we really need another thread about how a,small group of people who hate superdad are going to other publishers

Well, all my subs are just with other publishers, but Comixology is running a sale on Green Lantern and Green Arrow new52 stuff, 99 cents an issue, and I bought the next 10 issues of both of them from the whereever I left off (I've been buying an issue here and there when I feel like it). Those are both DC Comics. So they get a percentage of that dollar. I'm just not buying what I don't want to read, which, right now, is sadly, my favorite comic book, Superman (I am basically sure I don't want the Rebirth or the early issues of the relaunched Superman based on the descriptions provided in interviews and solicitations), and the other DC Comics I used to subscribe to. I don't totally rule out maybe getting the first issue of Action Comics with SuperDad next week or whenever that comes out, where the storylines and solicitations seem slightly more interesting (And where at least temporarily there seems to be less of a Jon focus- although it's coming, eventually, unfortunately), though I'm not *planning* on getting it- I'm taking it one issue at a time. Maybe I'll catch up if they run a sale one day, but I have limited funds and want to focus them on things I like.

I don't like SuperDad to pay for like 8 SuperDad related issues a month the way I did with new52 Superman. He's not worth it to me, especially with his new underage co-star taking a key role.

As a counter question, if the Superdad and Superjon comics do well and stay around for years to come would that in turn make you read more competition out of an even greater spite? Or would you just give up on comics altogether? Just curious how this works.

The answer is that if I keep enjoying the competition's books that I've subscribed to, and they keep being published, I'll keep subscribing to them indefinitely. Most of them are fringe titles that may or may not be there long-term (Squadron Supreme, Nighthawk, Howard the Duck, Black Science- last one is not fringe, just indie), so we'll see if they stick around and are still enjoyable for me. It's not a spite thing so much as I knew I wouldn't be subscribing to all the Superman related titles anymore with the changes, because I wouldn't enjoy them (Or at least wouldn't enjoy them enough to subscribe and get them without knowing whether the individual storyline or arc appealed anymore), but still wanted to read digital comics, so I looked around, and found stuff I liked (And stuff I didn't- obviously I didn't subscribe or didn't stay subscribed to the stuff I didn't)

I don't *owe* DC Comics my money. They can't just stamp the name "Superman" on a book and expect my undying gratitude and whatever the cover price is out of gratitude. They deliberately went in a direction that was clearly going to alienate some people, and those who it alienated are going to be less likely to spend the money. Even with the changes, they could have easily given us a side book to keep subscribing to featuring new52 Superman in some capacity, but they didn't. If they don't give us options that we like, who's fault is that? Certainly not mine.

I may be being suckered in by DC, but the outside chance that Nuperman comes back is keeping me intrigued.

I figure if he comes back, someone will let me know. Then I can buy issues of whatever he is in, and even pick up back issues with SuperDad to catch up on the universe if I so choose (Or just the new ones with new52 Superman). It's not like the issues become unavailable if I don't get a subscription that makes them available to me at 3am on release day. But I don't think they are worth buying at this time, so I don't. Plus, it's good to at least deny them the first week and first month sales of each issue from a "sending a message" standpoint- I don't want them to appear successful and give them ammo to keep SuperDad and SuperJon around over new52 Superman, although if I want to buy a particular issue day of, of course I will have that freedom and might do so anyway. Don't feel like buying tomorrow's issue, or really any of the Superman solicitations for the next few months. I like Tomasi, but the way I've seen him describe how he's going to be writing the series, plus the solictations kind of let me know that it's not for me. Like I said, Jurgens and Action Comics might be a different story to some degree- that looks more interesting in the early going, although I make no promises there (I'll see what I want to do as they come out).

I can't say I'm excited about Superfam. I'm not even keen on the concept of Clark and Lois being able to procreate. I wish they were on Earth 2, so the fans of "this" Superman could get what they want too. The idea of the stories focusing the family aspect just isn't appealing IMO. It's not like with Batman where you don't see Damian in every book. Supes is going to put family first, so instead of stories about Supes it's going to revolve around the family dynamic.

Yeah. I'm with you.

[SuperCrab]

*Sigh*

Look, I know there are fans not happy with the new status quo and I get it. But the highest-selling Superman comic last month only sold 38,000 copies, and I guarantee you at least half of that number are long-time readers who read Superman regardless.

There needed to be a change. They tried a few different things with N52 Superman, including a major shake-up in TRUTH, and none of it succeeded. I'm not saying this new direction will work, but I think it's fair to cease with the dramatics and give them a chance to see what they can do with the scenario.

Superman #50 sold over 90,000 copies. That was the big issue where Clark finally was back to his full self and beat the bad guy after suffering for almost a year with 4 separate monthly titles (Not counting the 2 Justice Leagues and various miniseries) of him powerless getting beat up mentally and physically, and losing his friends and such for the better part of the year. People paid to see him make his comeback, and then expected to see the various storyline potential of what happened during Truth play out now that Superman had his powers back. The next issue opens up with "I'm dying"- plus the news broke that he really was dying and SuperDad was going to be replacing him- and people got frustrated and bolted. What do you expect? DC Comics should have given him a fighting chance. At least hanged on to him with one book going forward. He was starting to sell and they killed his momentum.

If they absolutely had to replace him, though, they could have done another reboot and given us Superman #5, who could have had qualities from all the prior Supermen and some new ones of his own, and seen where they took him, or have been an R-rated truly edgy Superman, which they've never tried- or just morphed new52 Superman into that character, but they chose not to do that. They gave us a played out former Superman who's failure is what prompted the new52 in the first place, and decided he'd have a 10 year old superhero co-start as a very prominent part of that- something that was not selling well as a miniseries called Lois and Clark.

Even there, they could have done something like had him be the last refugee of his universe, with his Lois dead and no superkid, and a chip on his shoulder, to make it interesting. Instead they decided it was going to be a family comic about his superkid. No thanks.

Like I said, I am not saying I will never buy an issue of any SuperDad title ever, but I'm not subscribing and I know the early issues of the Superman title specifically are not going to be for me in terms of buying them anyway near day and date. The rest, we'll see. I feel like I know all I need to know to know I don't want to subscribe to the Superman title specifically, or buy the early issues. The rest, I am pretty close to that, but we'll see, maybe I'll find something I feel like dealing with. Could be Justice League or whatever, but even there, I'm feeling kind of meh right now.

DC Comics has not done a good job of telling we new52 Superman fans why we should want to read this. Everything that role out that they tell us should be a plus so far makes me cringe. I just do not want to read a cheesy superkid book.