SUPERMAN REBIRTH #1 Discussion (SPOILERS AHEAD)

[suemorphplus209]

I can't condone the way they've handled this entire situation. From top to bottom it has been insulting to fans, the creators who poured their efforts into the last five years, certainly Nuperman, and Id even argue its insulting to Superdad, who finally got a happy ending of sorts in 2011. And I dont believe for a second that this new situation is somehow going to make the people behind the scenes any better at their jobs. Berganza is not going to become a better editor and drive the line towards a better direction just because of all this. I mean, this is like those troubled couples who have a kid as a desperate attempt to save the marriage. Berganza was a weak editor the first time around and he's worse now. And the talent he's pulling in isnt bad by any means, but they're far from inspired choices who have fresh new voices and ideas for the character. I expect this to be as big a trainwreck as Truth and Doomed.

But I hope Im wrong.

Im not a Nuperman fan. Im sure as hell not a Superdad fan. I am a Superman fan, and I want fun, well crafted, intelligent, layered stories that entertain and spark my imagination. The particulars of that dont matter much to me.

If Rebirth, somehow, actually does that? I will swallow all the bitching and moaning Ive done in recent months and happily say that they proved me wrong. I just dont trust the people at DC to achieve it. But again, I would love to have to eat my words.

TBH, Superdad had a really boring time leading up to the happy ending, but other than that, I totally understand and I know how I would feel if back during Post-Crisis he got killed, cut and pasted rather than a proud statement of how he was back to being Superman. I would be complaining pretty loud I hope I am wrong as well, I hope that my gut feeling of Crossover Event hell is proven wrong as well.

[Sacred Knight]

its a good bet that crossover event hell continues. Again, the leadership is exactly the same. Not even a new editor for the Superman line. Same guys up top, same guy in the middle, standard company man talent at the bottom. Not going to get a different result.

[DieHard200904]

TBH, Superdad had a really boring time leading up to the happy ending, but other than that, I totally understand and I know how I would feel if back during Post-Crisis he got killed, cut and pasted rather than a proud statement of how he was back to being Superman. I would be complaining pretty loud I hope I am wrong as well, I hope that my gut feeling of Crossover Event hell is proven wrong as well.

I honestly doubt DC learned anything with the same guys in charge. It will most certainly happen, it's all a question of when.

[Tony]

It's pretty optimistic to think Dan can bring back the success of the 90's but I hope your right (I think so too

[mr_crisp]

I don't if that was already mentioned by DC before and I just missed it, but it looks like Damian and Jon aren't exactly going to get along.

I think that's a good thing.

[Lokimaru]

It's pretty optimistic to think Dan can bring back the success of the 90's but I hope your right (I think so too

you'd have to bring back Simonson and Carlin for that to happen.

[manofsteel1979]

Honestly, I wonder what Carlin is doing these days? While I'd prefer a completely new editor with an even handed creator friendly approach,I wouldn't be completely opposed to him taking over again if that was a possibility. He ran the Post-Crisis Superman very well and I don't think it's a coincidence that not long after he was promoted away from the titles (1996?) that the Post-Crisis era jumped the shark. If the "new" Superdad era is more of the guy we had Post-Crisis and pre 2000's anyway, why not go all the way? Perhaps even see if Roger Stern or Karl Kesel or Jerry Ordway could contribute. Yeah, we are moving backwards,but that ship sailed when they got Jurgens, so why the hell not just go for it fully and get some Post-Crisis writers that aren't as bland and by the numbers as Jurgens. Can't be worse than Eddie Berganza getting a third chance to destroy Superman.

[Tayswift]

Honestly, I wonder what Carlin is doing these days? While I'd prefer a completely new editor with an even handed creator friendly approach,I wouldn't be completely opposed to him taking over again if that was a possibility. He ran the Post-Crisis Superman very well and I don't think it's a coincidence that not long after he was promoted away from the titles (1996?) that the Post-Crisis era jumped the shark. If the "new" Superdad era is more of the guy we had Post-Crisis and pre 2000's anyway, why not go all the way? Perhaps even see if Roger Stern or Karl Kesel or Jerry Ordway could contribute. Yeah, we are moving backwards,but that ship sailed when they got Jurgens, so why the hell not just go for it fully and get some Post-Crisis writers that aren't as bland and by the numbers as Jurgens. Can't be worse than Eddie Berganza getting a third chance to destroy Superman.

Carlin is on DC animation. IDK but superman really needs to move forward. It's nice some nostalgia, but being stuck on past too long can hirt the character a lot

[El Sombrero]

I liked this more than I thought I would. Tomasi's writing was better than I expected and Mahnke did an incredible job with the Doomsday fight scenes. I like Gleason's art so I will try #1 this upcoming week, although I don't really care for any of what they are doing with the new status quo (find the Lois & Jon stuff really boring, don't care about the New 52 Superman death shenanigans, etc).

[Ascended]

Well, I gave Tomasi's Superman Rebirth a shot a couple weeks back, and I thought it was well written and Superdad was decently handled. However, I was hoping the Special would provide a kind of preview to establish the broad strokes of the new status quo going forward. It failed to do that, but was good enough I'll be giving Superman #1 a chance.

Didn't bother with Action at all. Feels weird, not buying an issue of Action (not since WoNK have I failed to read Action), but I am glad to see Superman selling well. This might not be "my" guy, and I might not be along for the ride going forward (we'll see) but I want Superman to succeed.

[upgrayedd]

Action was great. I got to know Luthor more in New 52. Superman and Lex both really don't know much about each other, they both know previous versions. For the first time in years I am reading Superman again, but coming out twice a month is going to be expensive.

[vasir12]

Action was great. I got to know Luthor more in New 52. Superman and Lex both really don't know much about each other, they both know previous versions. For the first time in years I am reading Superman again, but coming out twice a month is going to be expensive.

really, we're getting Superman once a week.

[Ascended]

Action was great. I got to know Luthor more in New 52. Superman and Lex both really don't know much about each other, they both know previous versions. For the first time in years I am reading Superman again, but coming out twice a month is going to be expensive.

Eh, if word of mouth is crazy positive and some folks who's opinions I trust recommend it, I might trade wait.

Ended up using Rebirth as a chance to drop a lot of my pull and trade wait, Action was not the only title to get the cut by a long shot.

[andersonh1]

really, we're getting Superman once a week.

It's kind of like the heyday of the late 80s, early 90s triangle books, when I got my weekly Superman fix. I'm looking forward to something like that again.