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    Despite the controversy .. Superwoman remains in the top 10... in the same position ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrikito View Post
    Despite the controversy .. Superwoman remains in the top 10... in the same position ..
    Controversy only increases sales, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasir12 View Post
    Controversy only increases sales, dude.
    For my part I have no problem, I knew that would happen(but no in this chapter)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonTodd428 View Post
    I definitely agree that Rebirth is better planned then the N52 ever was and I'm glad to see that to be honest after the mess the N52 turned out to be. I think in the end the entire line might come out the stronger for it and that includes the Superman line. It seems to me that they are trying, with this universe wide mystery, to make all titles have significance so that they all in effect "matter". If that is the case then that could mean that even the lowest seller might pull decent numbers. Of course that just speculation on my part.
    Its possible that you're right. Its not a bad business model to explore at any rate, but I still question how viable Rebirth is long term. Right now we're all super thrilled to see DC taking so much of the market, but that was going to happen no matter what. A big, highly marketed re-branding with new #1's and costumes and creative teams will always be a big pull initially. But what will sales look like in a year or two, when the dust has settled and everyone has gotten over the hype?

    This is the thing that concerns me about DC. There have been major problems behind the scenes for several years now, and Id argue they go back at least a decade. Those problems became apparent during the New52, but they were there before and they're still there now. How much has really changed when the shot-callers are still the same?

    I fear this success is a blip on the radar and all too soon DC will be in the same position they were in back during 2009-2010 and 2015. Id feel much more confident in DC if we had new blood in positions of power, instead of the same people who caused many of the problems in the first place.

    But time will tell, and right now I can just be happy to see DC doing well again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Its possible that you're right. Its not a bad business model to explore at any rate, but I still question how viable Rebirth is long term. Right now we're all super thrilled to see DC taking so much of the market, but that was going to happen no matter what. A big, highly marketed re-branding with new #1's and costumes and creative teams will always be a big pull initially. But what will sales look like in a year or two, when the dust has settled and everyone has gotten over the hype?

    This is the thing that concerns me about DC. There have been major problems behind the scenes for several years now, and Id argue they go back at least a decade. Those problems became apparent during the New52, but they were there before and they're still there now. How much has really changed when the shot-callers are still the same?

    I fear this success is a blip on the radar and all too soon DC will be in the same position they were in back during 2009-2010 and 2015. Id feel much more confident in DC if we had new blood in positions of power, instead of the same people who caused many of the problems in the first place.

    But time will tell, and right now I can just be happy to see DC doing well again.
    Its difficult to say how sales will be in a year or two but I'm just going to be happy about how they are now and hope they stay strong for that length of time. I do see your point though. I wish that DC (and Marvel to be honest) would get some new blood in positions for power. I'd really like to see someone other than Berganza heading up the Superman editorial office for one.
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    Day 6 for Action Comics #961

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    Day 6 for Superwoman #1

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    Day 1 for Superman #5

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonTodd428 View Post
    Its difficult to say how sales will be in a year or two but I'm just going to be happy about how they are now and hope they stay strong for that length of time. I do see your point though. I wish that DC (and Marvel to be honest) would get some new blood in positions for power. I'd really like to see someone other than Berganza heading up the Superman editorial office for one.
    What Ive been doing is looking at Marvel's re-branding efforts to try and get an idea of what to expect here.

    Since 2012 Marvel has rolled out a new line-wide re-invention every 18-24 months. I dont follow sales too closely, and Marvel even less closely than DC, but what seems to happen is the line gets a big healthy shot of sales, and then things begin to drop at normal, or slightly higher, attrition rates. After a year and a half to two years sales are roughly back to pre-initiative levels and Marvel does it again.

    Given the lack of excitement Marvel NOW 2.0 appears to be generating, it seems that this business model might be running its course and fans are starting to realize that these re-brandings are style over substance, but until NOW 2 really gets going who knows what the figures will actually be.

    So between that and the DCYOU, Im guessing we have about a year (dwindling interest in the model plus double shipping) before DC's sales are back to what they were. But Im just guessing. And as you say, right now Im happy to just enjoy the fact that my favorite hero is selling well, even if Im sitting out.
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    Day 2 for Superman #5

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    Minimum sales at 1976.

    Day 7 for Action Comics #961

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    Minimum sales at 7848

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    Minimum sales at 7826.

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    Minimum sales at number 7723

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    Minimum sales at 20627

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    Minimum sales at 54363.

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    Day 3 for Superman #5

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    Minimum sales at 2965

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    Minimum sales at 8797

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    Minimum sales at 8773

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    Minimum sales at 14483.

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    Minimum sales at 21351

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    Minimum sales at 32485.

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    Minimum sales at 39165

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    Minimum sales at 55137.

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    Day 4 for Superman #5

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    Minimum sales at 9735

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    Minimum sales at 9712

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    Minimum sales at number 9429

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    Minimum sales at 15389.

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    Minimum sales at 22062

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    Minimum sales at 33583

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    Minimum sales at 32942.

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    Minimum sales at 39980

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    Minimum sales at 45259

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    Digitally, Superwoman is performing much better than New Super-Man. It's managed to move up a place above the issue of Action Comics that came out the same week, while New Super-Man quickly dropped below several old issues of Action Comics and Superman on its 2nd week.

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    Day 5 for Superman #5

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    Minimum sales at 3952

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    Drops to number 109.

    Minimum sales at 10618

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    Drops to number 129

    Minimum sales at 10575

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    Drops to number 344

    Minimum sales at number 10077

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    Drops to number 108.

    Minimum sales at 16273.

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    Drops to number 356

    Minimum sales at 22698

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    Drops to number 191.

    Minimum sales at 28865

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    Drops to number 495

    Minimum sales at 34080

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    Drops to number 654.

    Minimum sales at 33280.

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    Drops to number 240.

    Minimum sales at 40732

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    Drops to number 535.

    Minimum sales at 45716

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    What Ive been doing is looking at Marvel's re-branding efforts to try and get an idea of what to expect here.

    Since 2012 Marvel has rolled out a new line-wide re-invention every 18-24 months. I dont follow sales too closely, and Marvel even less closely than DC, but what seems to happen is the line gets a big healthy shot of sales, and then things begin to drop at normal, or slightly higher, attrition rates. After a year and a half to two years sales are roughly back to pre-initiative levels and Marvel does it again.

    Given the lack of excitement Marvel NOW 2.0 appears to be generating, it seems that this business model might be running its course and fans are starting to realize that these re-brandings are style over substance, but until NOW 2 really gets going who knows what the figures will actually be.

    So between that and the DCYOU, Im guessing we have about a year (dwindling interest in the model plus double shipping) before DC's sales are back to what they were. But Im just guessing. And as you say, right now Im happy to just enjoy the fact that my favorite hero is selling well, even if Im sitting out.
    Some things about Rebirth surprise me. I hate some Rebirth series, I have a lot of problems with the general concept behind Rebirth and I think that some series are great. But there is one element which can't stop bugging me: it gives me an impression of an incredibly inexpensive event with a very good success. I mean, there are no superstars (except for a couple of names - does Rucka count?). For the most part, the creators are secondary writers and artists, and in a couple of cases (Green Arrow, Green Lantern) they are the very same writers who worked on the very same series before Rebirth. It's a curiously successful operation of rebranding which focused a lot on the editorial strategy rather than the big names.
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    Day 6 for Superman #5

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    Minimum sales at 4945

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    Minimum sales at 11525

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    Minimum sales at 11469

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    Minimum sales at number 10722

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    Minimum sales at 17196.

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    Minimum sales at 23359

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    Minimum sales at 34560

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    Minimum sales at 33554.

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    Minimum sales at 40732

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    Minimum sales at 46118

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    Minimum sales at 58256.

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    Minimum sales at 70874.

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    Overall, accounting for both physical and (to the best of our ability) digitally, how is Superman and Action Comics head-to-head? I'm just curious because I personally find Superman to be completely blowing Action Comics out of the water, so I'm curious how the sales reflect there comparatively.
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