X-men vs Avengers & Justice League(Movie Versions)

[Ambaryerno]

Because those guys are irrelevant and would be curbostomped

Until/unless Rogue absorbs Thor (which she has in the books, no reason XCU Rogue couldn't do the same to MCU Thor). She MAY be able to absorb Hulk, as well, as she's absorbed She-Hulk in the books, though there seems to be some debate whether she can take Banner. Or she can absorb Darwin first, THEN take Banner and use Darwin's power to survive it.

Frankly, if Rogue is creative in the use of the powers she absorbs, she's arguably the single most powerful character on the field.

[Divine Spark]

Because those guys are irrelevant and would be curbostomped

I was responsible this part of his post.

Honestly if you take out all the over powered people have just have Cyclops,Nightcrawler,Angel,Beast,And Mystique vs Captain America,Hawkeye,Black Widow,Black panther, and Bucky id take team Avengers.

And a couple of the people on the list are not irrelevant. Rogue can even the playing field by absorbing the powers and life force of the heavy hitters. With Kitty's help there is nothing stopping her from touching them.

it all comes down to Apoc, Mags, QS, and the telepath crew.

I only said X-men.

[Ambaryerno]

Rogue can even the playing field by absorbing the powers and life force of the heavy hitters. With Kitty's help there is nothing stopping her from touching them.

Yep. As I said above, Rogue should NOT be underestimated.

[Cleric of Hell’s Brigade]

A couple of things:

Eric doesn't have all the stuff he had in Apocalypse already set. His protective field was something he created after an unknown amount of time. As such, that won't exist here quick enough to do jack about anything.


The X-Men win solely for one reason alone. Quicksilver. At the moment, he's the fastest on the field (Superman is actually incredibly fast considering he can fly around the world fairly quickly and has some hypersonic reaction feats considering he was punching Doomsday repeatedly upwards while flying).

However, all QS needs to do is grab Xavier and get him somewhere safe for five seconds. Then it's just a matter of the TP whammy or TP freeze (though he has no feats of stopping alien minds like Clark or robotic minds, let's give him at least better than even chances of doing so).

If he can't TP those two, there is still a whole host of people ranging against the few he couldn't TP stop.


Now, remove Xavier and most likely the X-Men lose. While Eric is very powerful, it took an unknown amount of time for him to start all of his big stuff. Time, even hidden by QS, he won't have with all the various heavy hitters running around. If nothing else, he could be found by Clark and heat visioned from above.

[Ambaryerno]

A couple of things:

Eric doesn't have all the stuff he had in Apocalypse already set. His protective field was something he created after an unknown amount of time. As such, that won't exist here quick enough to do jack about anything.


The X-Men win solely for one reason alone. Quicksilver. At the moment, he's the fastest on the field (Superman is actually incredibly fast considering he can fly around the world fairly quickly and has some hypersonic reaction feats considering he was punching Doomsday repeatedly upwards while flying).

However, all QS needs to do is grab Xavier and get him somewhere safe for five seconds. Then it's just a matter of the TP whammy or TP freeze (though he has no feats of stopping alien minds like Clark or robotic minds, let's give him at least better than even chances of doing so).

If he can't TP those two, there is still a whole host of people ranging against the few he couldn't TP stop.


Now, remove Xavier and most likely the X-Men lose. While Eric is very powerful, it took an unknown amount of time for him to start all of his big stuff. Time, even hidden by QS, he won't have with all the various heavy hitters running around. If nothing else, he could be found by Clark and heat visioned from above.

You're drawing a lot of conclusions based on information we don't have. You're right, we DON'T know how long it would take Mags to put up his magnetic bubble, however there's also nothing that says he COULDN'T throw it up instantly if he wished. And that bubble would give him all the time in the world to do everything else he needed.

[Nik Hasta]

A magnetic field with unknown durability feats versus a perturbed movie Superman trying to get through it?

Or Thor.

Or Iron Man with his higher tier laser weaponry.

Yeah, no. The shield doesn't have the feats to really be a deciding factor here.

Also, lot of new faces here. I would advise newcomers to check out the rules thread for Rumbles just because it makes things easier.

[master of read]

agreed. until mags' shields gets some better feats, we can't say that supes, thor, or tony can't break it.

[Ambaryerno]

We do have at least one feat: Quicksilver was unable to break through it when moving at speed, and he's demonstrated himself to be capable of deflecting bullets in-flight with his finger. To redirect a bullet in that manner would require a substantial amount of force, so we're looking at TREMENDOUS amount of kinetic energy when trying to act against that shield.

[master of read]

We do have at least one feat: Quicksilver was unable to break through it when moving at speed, and he's demonstrated himself to be capable of deflecting bullets in-flight with his finger. To redirect a bullet in that manner would require a substantial amount of force, so we're looking at TREMENDOUS amount of kinetic energy when trying to act against that shield.

but no where near the level of someone like thor or supes.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

The X-Men win solely for one reason alone. Quicksilver. At the moment, he's the fastest on the field (Superman is actually incredibly fast considering he can fly around the world fairly quickly and has some hypersonic reaction feats considering he was punching Doomsday repeatedly upwards while flying).

Nope.

/limit

[Cody]

Nope.

/limit

Yeah it's no more of a reaction feat than Pre-Flashpoint Superman doing the same to Darkseid on the way to the sun was. Dude was just punching him while flying in a straight line, but that is about it.

Supes is basically about as fast as say; Oliver from Arrow, or Thor and the Hulk from Avengers. Which is impressive within itself, but not as fast as QS.

Can QS hurt them however? It's not like he can phase his hand through them like CW Barry(dude showed the ability to do just that when he was about to do so to Zoom in the latest season finale), Zoom and Thawne could. I know he could hurt Apoc, but is Apoc as durable as Thor, Hulk, or Mos Supes?

[Cleric of Hell’s Brigade]

Again, I've disagreed with what people say about Movie Superman's speed since the beginning (punching while flying super fast still, you know, requires you to move at that speed and think at that speed to punch while still flying) but regardless, not that QS can hurt someone as durable as Clark.

[Divine Spark]

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Can QS hurt them however? It's not like he can phase his hand through them like CW Barry(dude showed the ability to do just that when he was about to do so to Zoom in the latest season finale), Zoom and Thawne could. I know he could hurt Apoc, but is Apoc as durable as Thor, Hulk, or Mos Supes?

Quicksilver can make them hurt each other like he did those guards in DoFP.

[Cody]

Again, I've disagreed with what people say about Movie Superman's speed since the beginning (punching while flying super fast still, you know, requires you to move at that speed and think at that speed to punch while still flying) but regardless, not that QS can hurt someone as durable as Clark.

Not really dude. It is a long way up, and all he has to do is fly. Supes has always repeatedly shown to have faster travel speed than reaction speed(except for PC Supes, who seems to be capable of having reaction speed comparable to his travel speed, or very close to). It's like saying race car drivers can react to the top speed of the car they are driving, despite the fact that they are driving straight.

If this was a winged flyer; then we would have grounds for an argument as wings are usually(there are exceptions, such as magically created wings and such) a physical extension of the individual and thus they need to move their wings really fast. This is a bit different.

Quicksilver can make them hurt each other like he did those guards in DoFP.

Doing that to humans is quite a bit different than doing it to bricks mate.

[Divine Spark]

Doing that to humans is quite a bit different than doing it to bricks mate.

Their durability wouldn't stop their bodies from being moved, especially with them not expecting it. Hell, their durability would work against them.

I'm talking about when he made the guards punch themselves.