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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    I hope the resurrection protocol changes or is gone when Hickman's done. I get that it's so the mutants aren't just killed off for misery porn, but otherwise for weaker writers it'll be too tempting during a big event to just have the new baddie rip the X-Men apart to make them look tough, just because they can pop up back to life. Maybe out a cap on the number of times they can be revived (10?), so that way there's at least a little semblance of narrative tension.
    10 times? How many characters are getting killed that many times besides Jean and Quentin? If you are gonna have a 10 resurrection cap then you might as well not even have one

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    I did say "or is gone".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    10 times? How many characters are getting killed that many times besides Jean and Quentin? If you are gonna have a 10 resurrection cap then you might as well not even have one
    Just use the Dragon Balls to wish away the res cap.
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    I guess it's an unpopular opinion then to say that I like the resurrection protocols?

    Whether it's for shock value/misery porn/what-have-you, characters are going to continue to die, even though comic book deaths haven't meant shit in a very long time. At least this way, there's a simple explanation for why they're back. Writers will no longer have to bend over backwards to craft stories explaining so-and-so's return to life. Because in recent years their efforts at doing so have been godawful. Wolverine's death and resurrection standing out as the dumbest offender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellion View Post
    I guess it's an unpopular opinion then to say that I like the resurrection protocols?

    Whether it's for shock value/misery porn/what-have-you, characters are going to continue to die, even though comic book deaths haven't meant shit in a very long time. At least this way, there's a simple explanation for why they're back. Writers will no longer have to bend over backwards to craft stories explaining so-and-so's return to life. Because in recent years their efforts at doing so have been godawful. Wolverine's death and resurrection standing out as the dumbest offender.
    Eh, pro-Krakoa seems to be the consensus actually.

    I agree about deaths being meaningless, but I don't think this is a significantly better solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellion View Post
    I guess it's an unpopular opinion then to say that I like the resurrection protocols?

    Whether it's for shock value/misery porn/what-have-you, characters are going to continue to die, even though comic book deaths haven't meant shit in a very long time. At least this way, there's a simple explanation for why they're back. Writers will no longer have to bend over backwards to craft stories explaining so-and-so's return to life. Because in recent years their efforts at doing so have been godawful. Wolverine's death and resurrection standing out as the dumbest offender.
    Yes, all in all, death is better this way.

    No more ridiculous resurrection stories; just the one catch-all story that has been ingeniously built in.

    Another huge advantage is that now writers can't buy cheap emotional weight by killing off characters. Actually need to put in some work now.

    It's partially because I am a big Jean Grey fan, but I have found the concept of long term death in superhero comics kind of silly anyway.

    You mean to tell me that there is a guy who can shred steel beams into thousands of bullets and literally guide them into targets and yet not everyone is dead on day 2 of his existence? How?
    With that being said, there was never a reason to take death seriously, unless you liked a character that is Cyclops' girlfriend. The Krakoa era is just honest about it and I like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty&Piotr<3 View Post
    Yes, all in all, death is better this way.

    No more ridiculous resurrection stories; just the one catch-all story that has been ingeniously built in.

    Another huge advantage is that now writers can't buy cheap emotional weight by killing off characters. Actually need to put in some work now.

    It's partially because I am a big Jean Grey fan, but I have found the concept of long term death in superhero comics kind of silly anyway.

    You mean to tell me that there is a guy who can shred steel beams into thousands of bullets and literally guide them into targets and yet not everyone is dead on day 2 of his existence? How?
    With that being said, there was never a reason to take death seriously, unless you liked a character that is Cyclops' girlfriend. The Krakoa era is just honest about it and I like that.
    Also, this provides the chance to see how a post-death society operates, alongside being a post-scarcity one- while the rest of the world is still struggling to get by and can die at any time, for any reason.

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    I wish HiX-Men was complete AU. Yes, I dislike it that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellion View Post
    Wolverine's death and resurrection standing out as the dumbest offender.
    A storyline that also gave birth to probably the best X-Men movie ever made, Logan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizashi View Post
    Eh, pro-Krakoa seems to be the consensus actually.

    I agree about deaths being meaningless, but I don't think this is a significantly better solution.
    It isn't meant to be a permanent solution, I think every reader knows that it isn't going to last. It is much better solution because it is resetting the importance of death because after the status quo is done all they have to do is not kill off characters for death not to be meaningless. And think about the first death after the status quo is over it is going to hit fans and in universe characters like a truck.

    Speaking of characters for all the complaints some fans have with this story, It brought EVERY character back to X-men universe. We got back Unus the touchable and freaking Fabian Cortez for example, The X-men is 1,000 times better shape because of this run. Hickman put ALL the toys back on the table for the franchise after years of people screwing things and killing off characters who can be developed in something better. Every villain in the franchise is resurrected while at same time focus on new creating new villains.

    Even if you don't like the run as X-men fan the future is bright because of this run, The world building and franchise repair has been unmatched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    A storyline that also gave birth to probably the best X-Men movie ever made, Logan.
    Eh...no, Return of Wolverine hapened after that movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    Eh...no, Return of Wolverine hapened after that movie.
    The movie didn't adapt return of wolverine so that's beside the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    A storyline that also gave birth to probably the best X-Men movie ever made, Logan.
    Logan was more inspired by Old Man Logan than Death of Wolverine; the only important plot point taken from DoW was that Logan could die.
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    Either way a story like Logan would be impossible in a world where when Logan dies he just pops up in a tree egg in a few minutes totally fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerbee911 View Post
    It isn't meant to be a permanent solution, I think every reader knows that it isn't going to last. It is much better solution because it is resetting the importance of death because after the status quo is done all they have to do is not kill off characters for death not to be meaningless. And think about the first death after the status quo is over it is going to hit fans and in universe characters like a truck.

    Speaking of characters for all the complaints some fans have with this story, It brought EVERY character back to X-men universe. We got back Unus the touchable and freaking Fabian Cortez for example, The X-men is 1,000 times better shape because of this run. Hickman put ALL the toys back on the table for the franchise after years of people screwing things and killing off characters who can be developed in something better. Every villain in the franchise is resurrected while at same time focus on new creating new villains.

    Even if you don't like the run as X-men fan the future is bright because of this run, The world building and franchise repair has been unmatched.
    I'm not concerned about its permanence - I agree that it won't last. I just don't think that this actually solves the problem, it just takes it to the opposite end. Giant-Size X-Men: Storm #1 was superfluous, no matter Storm's philosophizing, because the entire problem had a built-in solution. Emma was right, she didn't have to struggle with impending doom, there was no need for the somber attitude, and no point in going on a journey to the World. It just felt contrived thanks to having resurrection at the ready.

    For a death in comics to matter it really only needs one thing - narrative purpose. If the motivation is editorial mandate then odds are it won't matter, even if an excellent writer is at the helm; however, if given the proper conditions, even a moderately talented writer can make death work even if an eventual return is a foregone conclusion.
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