Your Unpopular/Controversial Opinions on the X-Universe

[jwatson]

Wut?!10101010

Odin and Phoenix had sex and had thor and apparently phoenix was the most passionate relationship he ever had. Thor other parentage was a lie or coverup. When echo was having her story she was talking about the phoenix being a thunderbird and how there was a totem of the thunderbird that goes back ages in native american culture and that bird must be connected to phoenix of 1,000,000 so the native american bird is connected to another red headed white woman and as of avengers 51 it is stated three people have the power to kill phoenix. Odin, it's baby daddy, Thor, it's baby, and Wanda.

[davetvs]

Odin and Phoenix had sex and had thor and apparently phoenix was the most passionate relationship he ever had. Thor other parentage was a lie or coverup. When echo was having her story she was talking about the phoenix being a thunderbird and how there was a totem of the thunderbird that goes back ages in native american culture and that bird must be connected to phoenix of 1,000,000 so the native american bird is connected to another red headed white woman and as of avengers 51 it is stated three people have the power to kill phoenix. Odin, it's baby daddy, Thor, it's baby, and Wanda.

So, more hack writing from Aaron. Lovely.

[Saturius]

Odin and Phoenix had sex and had thor and apparently phoenix was the most passionate relationship he ever had. Thor other parentage was a lie or coverup. When echo was having her story she was talking about the phoenix being a thunderbird and how there was a totem of the thunderbird that goes back ages in native american culture and that bird must be connected to phoenix of 1,000,000 so the native american bird is connected to another red headed white woman and as of avengers 51 it is stated three people have the power to kill phoenix. Odin, it's baby daddy, Thor, it's baby, and Wanda.

What the hell are they doing to the Phoenix?

[jwatson]

What the hell are they doing to the Phoenix?

Sometimes you really have to see it for yourself to believe it. lmao.

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[Ambaryerno]

So, more hack writing from Aaron. Lovely.

Aaron should never be allowed to touch the Phoenix ever again.

[Rev9]

Odin and Phoenix had sex and had thor and apparently phoenix was the most passionate relationship he ever had. Thor other parentage was a lie or coverup. When echo was having her story she was talking about the phoenix being a thunderbird and how there was a totem of the thunderbird that goes back ages in native american culture and that bird must be connected to phoenix of 1,000,000 so the native american bird is connected to another red headed white woman and as of avengers 51 it is stated three people have the power to kill phoenix. Odin, it's baby daddy, Thor, it's baby, and Wanda.

Why can't we go back to the original lore of The First Fallen being the entity that is opposite to the Phoenix?..they didn't expand on it but it's still better than this nonsense

[davetvs]

Aaron should never be allowed to touch the Phoenix ever again.

Or any of the X-Men. Or She-Hulk.

[ComeOnBunny]

Odin and Phoenix had sex and had thor and apparently phoenix was the most passionate relationship he ever had. Thor other parentage was a lie or coverup. When echo was having her story she was talking about the phoenix being a thunderbird and how there was a totem of the thunderbird that goes back ages in native american culture and that bird must be connected to phoenix of 1,000,000 so the native american bird is connected to another red headed white woman and as of avengers 51 it is stated three people have the power to kill phoenix. Odin, it's baby daddy, Thor, it's baby, and Wanda.

Geez the more I learn about what is going on outside of New Mutants the more disappointment I become.

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

What the hell are they doing to the Phoenix?

Continuing on from Warsong and AvX.

[Omega Alpha]

Or any of the X-Men. Or She-Hulk.

Or the Avengers. Or...anything, really.

But it's Xavier who repeatedly has entrusted Magneto and Apocalypse the role of Krakoa's faces to the international community...

He uses Magneto and Apocalypse when he wants to scare humans.

It would be an interesting end for the arc if Xavier and Magneto's convoluted edifice of lies crashes and threatens to destroy all mutants, but the X-Men manage to save Krakoa, kick Xavier and Magneto out, and start rebuilding a more wholesome country for mutants.

Judging both by Hickman's past work and some interviews, I imagine something like this was more in line with what he wanted for his ending.

[Celestialbodies]

It kinda makes sense that they would rely on Emma, since they were going to reveal to her their dirty secrets that they had kept from the rest of Krakoa, and they were going to ask her to help them with their intrigues. They probably thought Emma to be loyal enough to mutankind to not betray them, and pragmatist (and morally grey) enough to accept their underhanded methods. Xavier and Magneto probably thought that Scott, Jean or Storm would refuse to accept some of the dirtier but necessary stuff they intended to do...



It would be an interesting end for the arc if Xavier and Magneto's convoluted edifice of lies crashes and threatens to destroy all mutants, but the X-Men manage to save Krakoa, kick Xavier and Magneto out, and start rebuilding a more wholesome country for mutants.

This is the most unbelievable part and requires suspension of belief that Ororo, Jean, Logan, and Scott don't already know who Erik and Xavier really are. We've had multiple stories and an entire era of Xavier SUCKS, while Scott, Logan, and Ororo have worked directly with Erik at various points between being an adversary and teammate. The idea that their arrogance would be outside their wheelhouse of understanding doesn't feel true especially given the stories we had prior to Hickman's run and stories in the distant past. Xavier especially was a real jerk leading up to HOX/POX!


Logan has always felt the ends justifies the means, Jean has held onto some of Xavier's worse secrets, and both Ororo and Scott went through extended phases where they were willing to do anything to protect all of mutantdom!

[BobbysWorld]

My controversial opinion on the X-Universe was I preferred the take where the Phoenix was always Jean and Jean was always the Phoenix. It was the basis behind the original X-Men Forever miniseries establishing omegas, and why Bobby was chosen as the other original omega. Basically the idea as I understood it was that the Phoenix was always the ultimate evolution of Jean herself, what she could grow to become in thousands of years, kept alive via her own mutant power and telekinetic control over her molecular structure and her psyche, until a point where she transcended the need for a physical body and just existed as the Phoenix. But as for the Phoenix existing in the past.....that's because Jean's ultimate omega potential was to exist as an entity of pure telekinetic and telepathic godhood anywhere in TIME and space. Because see, Nathan and Rachel inherited her powers.....and the idea was that Rachel's chronoskimming power, to psychically see through time, was supposed to be rooted in a latent aspect of Jean's own powers, something that would unlock with her full potential.

And thus that's how Jean would become the Phoenix but still exist thousands of years in the past, and be the basis of the Shi'ar legends and all that, etc. And its ALSO why she and her descendants are the prime 'hosts' for the Phoenix.....because when the Phoenix 'possessed' her, it was really just Jean's fully evolved and transcended self REUNITING with its own initial human existence....and in the process being reminded of human wants, needs and concerns, what it was like to be human, something the Phoenix had forgotten due to its endless eons of existence. And similarly, when it bonded with Rachel, it was the connection to her daughter that Jean/The Phoenix was resonating with. That's why even though the Phoenix has always been hosted by telepaths, seeking a symbiosis with mortal minds that reminded it of its origins, Jean and Rachel were its 'true' hosts, because they were of it in a way no one else was.

And then that's also why Bobby was chosen to be the other omega mutant, because although Claremont created The First Fallen to be the Phoenix's opposite, the idea at the time that making Jean and the Phoenix one and the same was what was floating around the X-office, it was Bobby who was intended to be its opposite in that way......because Bobby's full omega potential isn't making ice or controlling water, its essentially.....stopping energy, taking it away. Ending things.

See, when X-Men Forever first floated the idea of omega mutants, it was in a story with Celestials, and the whole idea was that omegas were the ultimate culmination of the Celestials' experiments on Earth. They were the point, the end goal. Beings who would someday evolve to take the place of the current Abstracts like Oblivion and Death and become the mechanism that would end this universe and start the next one. Jean as the Phoenix and Bobby were the fundamental starting point/lynch pin of that concept, as at their ultimate evolution, millions of years in the future long after they'd transcended existing as mortal bodies and were just pure power and consciousness.....Bobby would be the inevitable heat-death of the universe, the one who finally just said to all things "Stop" and ground the mechanism of the current universe to a stop, all that is ending with the absolute death of heat, which is of course just the result of molecules in motion and without it, molecules have no motion and nothing anywhere moves or does anything.....and then his counterpart, Jean, the Phoenix, was the spark that would take the graveyard of this universe and use it as kindling to ignite the next Big Bang, birthing the next universe. With whatever other omegas existed/transcended by then being the only other things besides them that would survive, and then they'd be what created the mechanisms of the new universe and becoming the Abstract/Framework entities of the next universe.

[Habis]

See, when X-Men Forever first floated the idea of omega mutants, it was in a story with Celestials, and the whole idea was that omegas were the ultimate culmination of the Celestials' experiments on Earth. They were the point, the end goal. Beings who would someday evolve to take the place of the current Abstracts like Oblivion and Death and become the mechanism that would end this universe and start the next one. Jean as the Phoenix and Bobby were the fundamental starting point/lynch pin of that concept, as at their ultimate evolution, millions of years in the future long after they'd transcended existing as mortal bodies and were just pure power and consciousness.....Bobby would be the inevitable heat-death of the universe, the one who finally just said to all things "Stop" and ground the mechanism of the current universe to a stop, all that is ending with the absolute death of heat, which is of course just the result of molecules in motion and without it, molecules have no motion and nothing anywhere moves or does anything.....and then his counterpart, Jean, the Phoenix, was the spark that would take the graveyard of this universe and use it as kindling to ignite the next Big Bang, birthing the next universe. With whatever other omegas existed/transcended by then being the only other things besides them that would survive, and then they'd be what created the mechanisms of the new universe and becoming the Abstract/Framework entities of the next universe.

I'm afraid writers change the purpose of the Celestials' experiment on Earth every few years. Don't hold your breath waiting for that idea to be brought again.

[Habis]

He uses Magneto and Apocalypse when he wants to scare humans.

That tactic probably has helped funnel many millions of dollars to Orchis and Xeno's coffers.

[Omega Alpha]

That tactic probably has helped funnel many millions of dollars to Orchis and Xeno's coffers.

Not a single person that wasn't against mutants anyway reacted negatively. Also, if Xavier didn't send Magneto to talk to the diplomats, he would have suffered an assassination attempt, and another one in Davos without one random guy scratching his ear.