Your Unpopular/Controversial Opinions on the X-Universe

[whitecrown]

The Terrigen Mists were killing, scarring, and sterilizing mutants. There’s literally a panel where Magneto says that he won’t allow his people to be gassed to death again.

At this point we get that you hate Scott and Emma (don’t know why you can’t seem to say her name), but don’t try to twist that horrible story to make it seem like the mutants weren’t justified in fighting back.

Funny how that didn't stop him from gassing innocent humans during Morrison's run until even Marvel realized how problematic that was and blatantly retconned it. If Marvel was really worried about negative portrayals in IvX, they would have retconned it as well. As of now, it still stands that Wrongclops and the fake blonde Barbie are terrorists and should be held accountable for their crimes...again.

I think fake blonde is a more appropriate moniker considering how much she has poached from far superior characters, whether Jean, Ororo, or Betsy.

[sunofdarkchild]

Emma deserved to be held accountable because she actually did things and in the end wanted war for its own sake when everyone else was making peace. But what is Cyclops supposed to be held accountable for? He did nothing in either Death of X or IvX because he was dead. In IvX no one was even pretending to be him. You can't hold someone accountable for things that happen when he was dead if he didn't directly incite those actions, which he didn't.

Emma was ostracized after IvX. The X-Men wanted her head as much as the Inhumans, and even Magneto was against her. When she and Scott met again, much of his team wanted to kill her, he wanted nothing to do with her, and she was only tolerated to the extent that they needed her info . The series ends with Scott kissing Jean in front of Emma rubbing it in her face that they were over. Her being in good standing with her fellow mutants again only came during the Krakoa era when everyone was given amnesty and a fresh start.

[Omega Alpha]

Cyclops was pushed as the only suitable leader of the X-Men after M-Day, despite other characters existing like Xavier, Magneto, Storm, etc.

You mean, Xavier, who was depowered and had been discredited from all his secrets, Magneto who was depowered and was last seen by the world committing genocide in New York, and Storm, who left the X-men and mutantkind's struggles to become Wakanda's queen?

And the X-Men and mutantkind have survived without him before.

And without Wolverine, or Storm, or Xavier, etc. But at that point, he was the only one keeping them together.

[Will Evans]

You mean, Xavier, who was depowered and had been discredited from all his secrets, Magneto who was depowered and was last seen by the world committing genocide in New York, and Storm, who left the X-men and mutantkind's struggles to become Wakanda's queen?



And without Wolverine, or Storm, or Xavier, etc. But at that point, he was the only one keeping them together.

Kitty was also later trapped in a giant bullet in outer space.

[Alan2099]

I'd be more supportive of the X-men in IvsX for risking the lives of all the mutants for the sake of their people, if we hadn't just had a story prior to that (AvsX) where the X-men risked the lives of the entire planet for their own people.

[Havok83]

I'd be more supportive of the X-men in IvsX for risking the lives of all the mutants for the sake of their people, if we hadn't just had a story prior to that (AvsX) where the X-men risked the lives of the entire planet for their own people.

That was only Cyclops when he went full Dark Phoenix and the X-men opposed and tried to stop him

You mean, Xavier, who was depowered and had been discredited from all his secrets, Magneto who was depowered and was last seen by the world committing genocide in New York, and Storm, who left the X-men and mutantkind's struggles to become Wakanda's queen?

Also very soon after M-Day Xavier went to space where he remained for a year's worth of story. Magneto was presumed dead following his apparent death in New Avengers. Both figures werent around in the immediate aftermath of M-Day.

[Odd Rödney]

The series ends with Scott kissing Jean in front of Emma rubbing it in her face that they were over. Her being in good standing with her fellow mutants again only came during the Krakoa era when everyone was given amnesty and a fresh start.

While I enjoyed some moments in the experiment that was the Scott/Emma relationship (and all the dram that came with it) I was really genuinely happy to see it end like that.

[Agent Z]

Funny how that didn't stop him from gassing innocent humans during Morrison's run until even Marvel realized how problematic that was and blatantly retconned it. If Marvel was really worried about negative portrayals in IvX, they would have retconned it as well. As of now, it still stands that Wrongclops and the fake blonde Barbie are terrorists and should be held accountable for their crimes...again.

I think fake blonde is a more appropriate moniker considering how much she has poached from far superior characters, whether Jean, Ororo, or Betsy.

What has she poached from them? Last I checked, Jean and Betsy aren't blonde (and Betsy spent three decades parading around in someone else's body) while Ororo isn't even the same blonde as her.

[whitecrown]

You mean, Xavier, who was depowered and had been discredited from all his secrets, Magneto who was depowered and was last seen by the world committing genocide in New York, and Storm, who left the X-men and mutantkind's struggles to become Wakanda's queen?



And without Wolverine, or Storm, or Xavier, etc. But at that point, he was the only one keeping them together.

Xavier being depowered doesn't mean he couldn't have led the team. And it's not like Cyke's power has ever been that impressive next to Magneto, Jean, Storm, etc. Storm lead the X-Men without any powers and that was one of the X-Men's most capable and prolific periods. Xavier was only written with all that character assassination to purposefully remove him from the narrative so he couldn't usurp King Cyclops. Cyclops had no issue letting Magneto bow down to him and play his flunky despite the public optics of that. As if Magneto would ever bow down to Cyclops lol, this is the territory of fanfic here when you know the writer is living vicariously through Cyclops.

Storm was also written out of the X-Men, much like most other X-Women, so a certain fake blonde could keep her position as head X-Woman which she literally only got based on who she was sleeping with. So much for feminism there. Other Marvel women team leaders like Storm, Monica, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Kitty, Rogue, etc. have never been granted their positions based on which man they were shacking up with.

There were plenty of other choices besides Cyclops, not even including the obvious choices. Uncanny Avengers showed that Havok was the right choice to step up. If Namor is getting involved with mutants, he's a more logical choice as a monarch and leader than playing flunky to Cyclops, especially when he would only consider a select few men to be his peers like Reed Richards or Steve Rogers.

[Alan2099]

I really wasn't that fond of the Cyclops is King of Mutant Island era either.

[Agent Z]

Xavier being depowered doesn't mean he couldn't have led the team. And it's not like Cyke's power has ever been that impressive next to Magneto, Jean, Storm, etc. Storm lead the X-Men without any powers and that was one of the X-Men's most capable and prolific periods. Xavier was only written with all that character assassination to purposefully remove him from the narrative so he couldn't usurp King Cyclops. Cyclops had no issue letting Magneto bow down to him and play his flunky despite the public optics of that. As if Magneto would ever bow down to Cyclops lol, this is the territory of fanfic here when you know the writer is living vicariously through Cyclops.

Storm was also written out of the X-Men, much like most other X-Women, so a certain fake blonde could keep her position as head X-Woman which she literally only got based on who she was sleeping with. So much for feminism there. Other Marvel women team leaders like Storm, Monica, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Kitty, Rogue, etc. have never been granted their positions based on which man they were shacking up with.

There were plenty of other choices besides Cyclops, not even including the obvious choices. Uncanny Avengers showed that Havok was the right choice to step up. If Namor is getting involved with mutants, he's a more logical choice as a monarch and leader than playing flunky to Cyclops, especially when he would only consider a select few men to be his peers like Reed Richards or Steve Rogers.

Namor is too busy chasing after married women to do any actual leading and Uncanny Avengers is the absolute worst example you can use to argue in favor of Havok's leadership skills.

[Alan2099]

Namor is too busy chasing after married women to do any actual leading

That's a really bad argument to use in favor of Cyclops, the guy that left his first wife without telling her anything and cheated on the second.

As for Havok, despite how many times people have tried to explain it, I still don't see why that one speech gets so people up in arms and somehow cancels out everything else he's ever done as a leader.

[nandes]

Uncanny Avengers' characterization of Havok would rather have him running away trying to blend in with the humans instead of ever standing up for the entire mutantkind

[Havok83]

Xavier being depowered doesn't mean he couldn't have led the team. And it's not like Cyke's power has ever been that impressive next to Magneto, Jean, Storm, etc. Storm lead the X-Men without any powers and that was one of the X-Men's most capable and prolific periods. Xavier was only written with all that character assassination to purposefully remove him from the narrative so he couldn't usurp King Cyclops. Cyclops had no issue letting Magneto bow down to him and play his flunky despite the public optics of that. As if Magneto would ever bow down to Cyclops lol, this is the territory of fanfic here when you know the writer is living vicariously through Cyclops.

Storm was also written out of the X-Men, much like most other X-Women, so a certain fake blonde could keep her position as head X-Woman which she literally only got based on who she was sleeping with. So much for feminism there. Other Marvel women team leaders like Storm, Monica, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Kitty, Rogue, etc. have never been granted their positions based on which man they were shacking up with.

There were plenty of other choices besides Cyclops, not even including the obvious choices. Uncanny Avengers showed that Havok was the right choice to step up. If Namor is getting involved with mutants, he's a more logical choice as a monarch and leader than playing flunky to Cyclops, especially when he would only consider a select few men to be his peers like Reed Richards or Steve Rogers.

Havok never did anything for mutantkind as an Avenger. The Unity Squad was a failed experiment as they never tackled mutant issues. It was mainly a PR stunt for Captain America

Namor doesnt care about mutantkind and it wouldnt have made sense for him to have stepped up during deciMation. He only got involved with the X-men bc Normon Osborn threatened Atlantis years later.

[whitecrown]

What has she poached from them? Last I checked, Jean and Betsy aren't blonde (and Betsy spent three decades parading around in someone else's body) while Ororo isn't even the same blonde as her.

OMG I could sit here for days explaining. Let's see. Rogue was the first prominent X-Man to start off as a villain. We've seen that replicated several times since even before the fake blonde, most notably Magneto but also Mystique if we're sticking to female character comparisons here. If we even go outside of X-Women, the concept of a femme fatale becoming a heroine was originated with Black Widow, Medusa, and Scarlet Witch (moreso the former two than the latter).

Betsy is a natural blonde and always has been. Just read Claremont's Betsy from the 80s and you'll see that she set the template that the fake blonde copied herself after in Morrison's run except one was clearly a silicone copy. Betsy has the same posh background but with a real British accent, not an affected one, real blonde hair, and a real nose and no breast implants, in either her original body or Kwannon's. Betsy was the amoral telepath who was willing to resort to kill to protect the X-Men's identities. She was the one with genuine relationships with characters like Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, Dazzler, Rogue, etc. Back then, she was characterized as on par telepathically with Xavier and Jean, and in fact, she and Jean are the only telepaths who have ever been able to breach Juggernaut's helmet with their own powers. Come the 2000s, and because Xavier is depowered, Jean is dead, and Betsy has lost her telepathy, that forces the fake blonde to be trotted around like she's always been the premiere telepath and even capable of beating Xavier and retcons (that have thankfully been ignored now) about being an omega-level telepath. Thankfully Rick Remender, who has never given the fake blonde even an iota of time, understood what Betsy's power levels are really like and confirmed her as an omega-level mutant (although I think that has been discarded now) with telepathy on par with Phoenix. Claremont also recognized how much of his character had been stripped down for this cheap Playboy facsimile which is why he had Betsy shade her so many times in his UXM run after Betsy's resurrection. Betsy was calling people cows long before Morrison decided to use that for his Emma.

I don't even need to get much into Jean because of how obvious it is, but Emma was literally positioned in Jean's role in every way, and under Fraction as the blonde Barbie doll on Scott's arm, that was even more obvious. Stealing her husband wasn't enough, they had to go further and connect the Phoenix with Emma in Endsong, Warsong (which miserably failed in sales because no one was interested without Jean. I still remember the TPB was marked down to $5 at my LCS and there were still dozens of copies unsold) and AvX. Her every thought and panel was about how much better she thought she was compared to Jean, only to worry about how much more Scott loved Jean than her. Talk about an inferiority complex much. Nuff said here (but let's never forget that when Jean was the Black Queen of the Hellfire Club, it was unanimously agreed upon by the other members that she was the far superior queen compared to the woman she left in a coma, who was also written and designed to be flat-chested and less sexual than Jean's vampy take).

Now with Jean not around, the logical choice for head X-Woman, particularly leader, goes to Storm. Yet Storm was written out of the narrative because writers didn't see her as a pinup doll they wanted to get their hands on (and I mean that in every awful way) so that nobody could threaten the fake blonde's place. Claremont luckily had control over Storm before her marriage to T'Challa, so he was able to constantly assert how one is a real queen, born and bred the daughter of a princess with royal ancestry, and the other a fake fraud who gave herself the title to fulfill her own vain ambitions. There's more here, such as the disgusting treatment Ororo was subjected to at the hands of this alleged queen, but this post is primarily about what elements the fake blonde stole from the far superior X-Women. I'm just glad that mainstay X-Men creators like Claremont and John Byrne have always made clear how offensive it is to them that the White Queen of all characters was treated like a bonafide X-Man and how that isn't their X-Men.