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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    In the five short years of their promotion, the Inhumans were better at racial diversity than the X-Men have been in three decades.
    Harsh but...damn it's very true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    In the five short years of their promotion, the Inhumans were better at racial diversity than the X-Men have been in three decades.
    No they weren't no minority was given an position of importance inside of that concept except maybe Iso at the end. Mosaic, Moon Girl and Kamala despite having solos where never given any importance inside of Inhumans bubble. Kamala and Moongirl success is largely because of lack of connection.

    Inhumans diversity aka Nuhumans is the equivalent New X-men, Gen hope or any new character created in the X-universe. A bunch of characters who have to take a backseat to establish characters. In the X-men case it is Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler aka some of most popular characters in comics. In the Inhumans case it is Black Bolt, Medusa, Crystal characters who have never held a popular book.

    Inhumans didn't do diversity better at least with Gen X, New Mutants, New X-men I can understand why they aren't being used over other characters. The Royal family was always the focal point and diverse characters sat in the background. Never once did Marvel push Inferno, Grid, Iso, Flint, Mosaic, Naja, etc like prime time characters. Which is why none appear to today.

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    Call me when a black mutant holds solo as long as Moon Girl.

    At least Flint did more on tv than most black mutants (not named Storm or Bishop) did on tv and movies. At least he had a story arc devoted to him in a book in the last 10 years.

    At least Mosaic and Moon Girl got solo books. Still waiting on Storm volume 2.

    It took taking Sunspot and Storm OUT of X-books for them to get some development.

    As for them not appearing-according to Marvel the Inhuman franchise is deemed TOXIC for SOME odd reason like Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerbee911 View Post
    No they weren't no minority was given an position of importance inside of that concept except maybe Iso at the end. Mosaic, Moon Girl and Kamala despite having solos where never given any importance inside of Inhumans bubble. Kamala and Moongirl success is largely because of lack of connection.

    Inhumans diversity aka Nuhumans is the equivalent New X-men, Gen hope or any new character created in the X-universe. A bunch of characters who have to take a backseat to establish characters. In the X-men case it is Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler aka some of most popular characters in comics. In the Inhumans case it is Black Bolt, Medusa, Crystal characters who have never held a popular book.

    Inhumans didn't do diversity better at least with Gen X, New Mutants, New X-men I can understand why they aren't being used over other characters. The Royal family was always the focal point and diverse characters sat in the background. Never once did Marvel push Inferno, Grid, Iso, Flint, Mosaic, Naja, etc like prime time characters. Which is why none appear to today.
    Kamala, Moon Girl and Mosaic had solo books. Kamala was one of the most heavily promoted Marvel characters in the 2010s and had the longest running solo starring a minority female character at Marvel. Storm's book couldn't even make it to twelve issues. Moon Girl's book lasted up to 47 issues and Mosaic actually played a vital role in Secret Empire which is way more than any poc has done in X-Men since forever. Flint, Inferno and others were pushed as the main faces of the Inhumans for the brief time Marvel focused on them. Not to mention Skye being on Agents of SHIELD.

    So, yeah, the Inhumans were much better at racial diversity than the X-men have been in decades, arguably better than they ever have been. At least the Inhumans don't have the equivalent of Storm's racist origin of being worshipped by primitive Kenyans, Kitty saying the n-word or Psylocke's three decade long dalliance with yellow face.

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    Kamala success isn't because of being Inhuman, Moongirl success isn't because of being Inhuman. Saying Inhumans did something for diversity is like saying Gen-X,New X-men books etc is doing something for diversity. It is like saying New Mutants the movie and the Gifted are prime examples of diversity. It is like me talking about Prisoner X as a great showing for diversity. The Inhumans haven't done anything the X-men franchise has not done which is push old characters at the expense of minorities and again the X-men have popular characters which you can say okay that is why you can't push the New Mutants or Gen-X. There is no characters in front of the Nuhumans to stop them from being used.

    Neither thing is good at diversity but at least I can explain why minorities get stalled in the X-men. Karnak, horse guy, and fish guy is stopping diverse concepts from being used in the Inhumans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post

    At least the Inhumans don't have the equivalent of Storm's racist origin of being worshipped by primitive Kenyans, Kitty saying the n-word or Psylocke's three decade long dalliance with yellow face.
    alpha primative slaves and a general culture of racism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerbee911 View Post
    Kamala success isn't because of being Inhuman, Moongirl success isn't because of being Inhuman. Saying Inhumans did something for diversity is like saying Gen-X,New X-men books etc is doing something for diversity. It is like saying New Mutants the movie and the Gifted are prime examples of diversity. It is like me talking about Prisoner X as a great showing for diversity. The Inhumans haven't done anything the X-men franchise has not done which is push old characters at the expense of minorities and again the X-men have popular characters which you can say okay that is why you can't push the New Mutants or Gen-X. There is no characters in front of the Nuhumans to stop them from being used.
    The Inhumans pushed the new characters as much as the old ones. The reason the new guys aren't being seen as much now is because Marvel isn't focusing on the Inhumans right now. Regardless of whatever reason fans were drawn to them, they were Inhumans, they were racial minorities and they became popular.

    Neither thing is good at diversity but at least I can explain why minorities get stalled in the X-men. Karnak, horse guy, and fish guy is stopping diverse concepts from being used in the Inhumans.
    No they aren't. See above.

    alpha primative slaves and a general culture of racism
    Not even remotely close to being real world offensive. I was talking about what was down to characters part of real life racial demographics not fictional ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambaryerno View Post
    That's the biggest irony of Marvel's obsession with maintaining the Claremont-quo.

    Claremont WEANTED the characters to grow and move forward. Hell, he wanted to retire Cyclops permanently.
    Except, of course, that's not the case- he only wanted to retire and move out the characters he didn't create or wrote from pretty much day one. The 05, Havok, Polaris, Xavier? All gone. Storm, Wolverine, Kitty, Nightcrawler, Rogue, etc, were all very much in his control, in X-men or Excalibur. You'd have to pry Storm specially from his cold dead hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerbee911 View Post
    Kamala success isn't because of being Inhuman, Moongirl success isn't because of being Inhuman.
    So? The reason the characters exist is because of the Inhumans push.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    So? The reason the characters exist is because of the Inhumans push.
    Nah, those characters exist because they wanted new stand-alone teenage characters and the Terrigen cloud was used as an in-universe origin for them that wouldn't make them have to live in either Attilan or the Jean Grey School.

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    A distinction without a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    A distinction without a difference.
    Ms. Marvel, Moongirl and maybe Mosaic would probably be mutants if wasn't for FOX holding the x-men rights.

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    But they aren't, so them hypothetically not being Inhumans doesn't mean anything.

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    So while I've read very little of it, Chuck Austin's run isn't (so far) as bad as People say it is. There's actually a decent issue out of the small amount I've read. Bare in mind, I've only really read the first volume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    So? The reason the characters exist is because of the Inhumans push.
    And after their origin story their greater ties to Inhuman world is limited. It is like saying Justice or Molly Hayes are successful characters because they are mutants and Xrelated. The actual Inhumans franchise did no favors to minority characters and had similar treatment to young xmen characters and the two books that where fringely connected did okay.

    I guess by virtue of Kamala Khan being light years ahead of anything the X-men has put out with a minority makes the inhuman franchise better at handling minorities. This feels like a tallest midget contest ,Moving on
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    It's a given that the X-Men have more problematic storylines when the franchise has about a million times more comics published than the Inhumans, especially in earlier decades, with way less socially aware and minority writers involved

    And it's also a given that the Inhumans push had a more diverse set of characters when most of them were created this decade, in a comparatively wider progressive push for Marvel in general than in the decades most proeminent X-Men characters were created. Meanwhile, the X-Men comics were busy regurgitating old storylines and giving spotlight to teenage versions of characters that were created in the 60's

    Not saying any of these arguments aren't true but it's always important to consider context in any form of criticism
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