Your Unpopular/Controversial Opinions on the X-Universe

[Psy-lock]

What, are they buddies now? Kitty used to hate Emma's guts. They did patch up a bit in Whedon's Astonishing but still.

She's the most important person in Kitty's life all of a sudden.

It's not just Emma/Kitty though, I find most relationships in the new era extremely forced and OOC. Like the poly thing. Probably the most egregious case of having your cake and eating it too, besides the Betsy/Kwannon mess.

[Kingdom X]

Marauders is actually a pretty awful book so far that tries to hamfist a BFF relationship between two characters whose personalities have never aligned even after they gained a sense of respect for one another and the sudden shift is extremely jarring to the sense of disbelief.

On top of that the second most notably Jewish mutant behind Magneto (and not far at that) gets two different sets of knuckle tattoos and has her body cremated.

On top of that she is drinking excessively and kissing total strangers (while drinking, even!) And her actual mother figure of Ororo and more believable best friend of Bobby (versus Emma, yikes) both fail to see anything wrong with such actions and make no attempt to empathize with the woman who is uniquely unable to use the portals and has been going through a lot in-canon (most notably the failed wedding, but also being trapped in the alternate reality and the way in which she and Piotr became more aware.. only to not address it at all afterward).

Its very very obvious (and poorly done, imo) pandering and character assassination to have her doing all this things with no real scenes of her talking to people she *does* have good repoir with like Ororo, or Logan, or Bobby, or Illyana. Instead they are all just background actors for whatever random event befalls her issue to issue for the sake of validating some odd (and potentially very inappropriate) Fandom ships, like with Kitty and Emma fondly looking back at Emma's kidnapping and wondering what that would be like—without a shed of shame or ownership to Emma's inappropriate actions at the time. Because if it hints toward a sexual attraction people want, its evidently okay. Even if it is actually just plain out of character for Kitty to go around kissing random people while drunk/drinking.

Oh, and her entire death and ressurection made no sense at all and was purely there to show Emma's connection to her at the expense of the telepath who actually has a connection to her from having taken her in at 13 and was actually the one to help her control her powers. But showing one character as inept to prop up another character isn't new or uncommon in comics.

But it should be, because its the hallmark of a bad comic.

I've yet to be impressed with anything posr H/DoX mini, which is a shame since it was so good.

Yeah I was they had properly addressed Kitty’s new attitude before the murder mystery plot line. Because based on all the things Kitty has recently been through, it makes sense that she would lash out. She’s still very young and a lot of people have a reckless phase in their twenties.

In another thread someone mentioned that Leah Williams is too heavy handed when she writes character drama, but I would rather that than not getting any insight into the emotional state of the characters I’m reading about.

[Omega Alpha]

Marauders is actually a pretty awful book so far that tries to hamfist a BFF relationship between two characters whose personalities have never aligned even after they gained a sense of respect for one another and the sudden shift is extremely jarring to the sense of disbelief.

On top of that the second most notably Jewish mutant behind Magneto (and not far at that) gets two different sets of knuckle tattoos and has her body cremated.

On top of that she is drinking excessively and kissing total strangers (while drinking, even!) And her actual mother figure of Ororo and more believable best friend of Bobby (versus Emma, yikes) both fail to see anything wrong with such actions and make no attempt to empathize with the woman who is uniquely unable to use the portals and has been going through a lot in-canon (most notably the failed wedding, but also being trapped in the alternate reality and the way in which she and Piotr became more aware.. only to not address it at all afterward).

Its very very obvious (and poorly done, imo) pandering and character assassination to have her doing all this things with no real scenes of her talking to people she *does* have good repoir with like Ororo, or Logan, or Bobby, or Illyana. Instead they are all just background actors for whatever random event befalls her issue to issue for the sake of validating some odd (and potentially very inappropriate) Fandom ships, like with Kitty and Emma fondly looking back at Emma's kidnapping and wondering what that would be like—without a shed of shame or ownership to Emma's inappropriate actions at the time. Because if it hints toward a sexual attraction people want, its evidently okay. Even if it is actually just plain out of character for Kitty to go around kissing random people while drunk/drinking.

Oh, and her entire death and ressurection made no sense at all and was purely there to show Emma's connection to her at the expense of the telepath who actually has a connection to her from having taken her in at 13 and was actually the one to help her control her powers. But showing one character as inept to prop up another character isn't new or uncommon in comics.

But it should be, because its the hallmark of a bad comic.

Yeah, I agree with all this. Marauders is just pure fanwank. "Look, we have strong female characters! Doesn't matter if nothing make sense or is in character.".

[davetvs]

She's the most important person in Kitty's life all of a sudden.

It's not just Emma/Kitty though, I find most relationships in the new era extremely forced and OOC. Like the poly thing. Probably the most egregious case of having your cake and eating it too, besides the Betsy/Kwannon mess.

God forbid relationships change and evolve in the midst of a totally new world order. At this point Emma has been an X-Man for years, it makes no sense for characters like Kitty or Storm to still actively hate her the same way it wouldn't make sense for them to actively hate Rogue.

[cranger]

God forbid relationships change and evolve in the midst of a totally new world order. At this point Emma has been an X-Man for years, it makes no sense for characters like Kitty or Storm to still actively hate her the same way it wouldn't make sense for them to actively hate Rogue.

Rogue was a kid who quickly stopped doing wrong. Emma is still up to no good, Kitty just seems to enjoy being up to no good too?

[Kingdom X]

God forbid relationships change and evolve in the midst of a totally new world order. At this point Emma has been an X-Man for years, it makes no sense for characters like Kitty or Storm to still actively hate her the same way it wouldn't make sense for them to actively hate Rogue.

This came up in the Storm thread a while back, but I think it's perfectly reasonable for Storm to still dislike Emma and I think it adds some realism to the characters. Besides the fact that Emma violated her, their personalities also just clash. In life there are just some people you don't f with and that's okay.

With regards to Kitty, I think there are grounds for their relationship to evolve to this point, but I would have liked to see more of that actually happen on the page.

[yogaflame]

God forbid relationships change and evolve in the midst of a totally new world order. At this point Emma has been an X-Man for years, it makes no sense for characters like Kitty or Storm to still actively hate her the same way it wouldn't make sense for them to actively hate Rogue.

Didn't Emma trick the X-Men into going to war with the Inhumans and took over Magneto and Sentinels to kill a bunch of them when everyone stopped fighting? Didn't she trick the X-Men into helping her infiltrate the Hellfire Club so she could brutally murder Shaw? Didn't she get in bed with those antimutant humans and mindwipe the entire world while most of the team was in AoX? All this happened immediately before the Hickman era started. Emma is nothing like Rogue.

And yes, Marauders has been trash.

[Ra-El]

Didn't Emma trick the X-Men into going to war with the Inhumans and took over Magneto and Sentinels to kill a bunch of them when everyone stopped fighting? Didn't she trick the X-Men into helping her infiltrate the Hellfire Club so she could brutally murder Shaw? Didn't she get in bed with those antimutant humans and mindwipe the entire world while most of the team was in AoX? All this happened immediately before the Hickman era started. Emma is nothing like Rogue.

And yes, Marauders has been trash.

But she looked fabulous while she was doing it.

[Psy-lock]

God forbid relationships change and evolve in the midst of a totally new world order. At this point Emma has been an X-Man for years, it makes no sense for characters like Kitty or Storm to still actively hate her the same way it wouldn't make sense for them to actively hate Rogue.

Relationships can evolve and change, but it has to make sense. Rogue is actually a perfect example of that. She didn't just become everyone's BFF out of the blue, she had to earn it. Emma's crimes were much worse than Rogue's to begin with, and one of the first things she did after joining the team is seducing her teammate's husband. Not to mention all the shady and outright villainous stuff she's been doing since then.

[Havok83]

God forbid relationships change and evolve in the midst of a totally new world order. At this point Emma has been an X-Man for years, it makes no sense for characters like Kitty or Storm to still actively hate her the same way it wouldn't make sense for them to actively hate Rogue.

Didn't Emma trick the X-Men into going to war with the Inhumans and took over Magneto and Sentinels to kill a bunch of them when everyone stopped fighting? Didn't she trick the X-Men into helping her infiltrate the Hellfire Club so she could brutally murder Shaw? Didn't she get in bed with those antimutant humans and mindwipe the entire world while most of the team was in AoX? All this happened immediately before the Hickman era started. Emma is nothing like Rogue.

And yes, Marauders has been trash.

Yes she did. People like to ignore the recent stuff Emma has done bc they didnt like the story but its canon and has been reason why some of the X-men have been hostile towards her. She has a very recent history of using and manipulating Storm. Prior to Hickman, the X-men did not fully trust her bc she was going around doing alot of shady stuff.

You didnt even mention her consorting with the likes of Ms Sinister and Bastion to release Mothervine on the world which was a global catastrophe. She had a change of heart at the end but it didnt erase her role in getting the ball rolling. Or what she did in Secret Empire, using the cosmic shard to brainwash and control a bunch of X-men, force MV on them and try to mindwipe Teen Scott. There have been PLENTY of stories to validate them disliking her

[Hizashi]

Didn't Emma trick the X-Men into going to war with the Inhumans and took over Magneto and Sentinels to kill a bunch of them when everyone stopped fighting? Didn't she trick the X-Men into helping her infiltrate the Hellfire Club so she could brutally murder Shaw? Didn't she get in bed with those antimutant humans and mindwipe the entire world while most of the team was in AoX? All this happened immediately before the Hickman era started. Emma is nothing like Rogue.

And yes, Marauders has been trash.

Emma was the heroine of the trash known as IvX — until Marvel decided that she couldn’t be. Subsequent stories have tried to justify her vilification.

That panel where everyone wets their pants at the sight of Black Bolt and Medusa together was the worst.

[Ra-El]

Yes she did. People like to ignore the recent stuff Emma has done bc they didnt like the story but its canon and has been reason why some of the X-men have been hostile towards her. She has a very recent history of using and manipulating Storm. Prior to Hickman, the X-men did not fully trust her bc she was going around doing alot of shady stuff.

You didnt even mention her consorting with the likes of Ms Sinister and Bastion to release Mothervine on the world which was a global catastrophe. She had a change of heart at the end but it didnt erase her role in getting the ball rolling. Or what she did in Secret Empire, using the cosmic shard to brainwash and control a bunch of X-men, force MV on them and try to mindwipe Teen Scott. There have been PLENTY of stories to validate them disliking her

Teen Scott deserved worst.

If we consider Emma's character we also have to consider the X-Men bending over to the Inhumans. We have to consider the X-Men hating Cyclops, calling him a monster because they believed he had destroyed one of the clouds that were killing mutants.

The Extraordinary era was crap, almost every character was written horribly. Is hard to believe that Lemire was the writer, when Black Hammer, Green Arrow, Adventure Comics, etc are so good, the only explanation is to blame the editorial for that **** show.

[Hizashi]

Teen Scott deserved worst.

If we consider Emma's character we also have to consider the X-Men bending over to the Inhumans. We have to consider the X-Men hating Cyclops, calling him a monster because they believed he had destroyed one of the clouds that were killing mutants.

The Extraordinary era was crap, almost every character was written horribly. Is hard to believe that Lemire was the writer, when Black Hammer, Green Arrow, Adventure Comics, etc are so good, the only explanation is to blame the editorial for that **** show.

Absolutely correct, the TDO5 were terrible. No one should point to that era for accurate portrayals.

[Havok83]

Teen Scott deserved worst.

If we consider Emma's character we also have to consider the X-Men bending over to the Inhumans. We have to consider the X-Men hating Cyclops, calling him a monster because they believed he had destroyed one of the clouds that were killing mutants.

The Extraordinary era was crap, almost every character was written horribly. Is hard to believe that Lemire was the writer, when Black Hammer, Green Arrow, Adventure Comics, etc are so good, the only explanation is to blame the editorial for that **** show.

I didnt even call out the Extraordinary era. There were plenty of stories after that involving Emma which contributed to her not being trusted

And Teen Scott did not deserve to be raped which is where Emma was going trying to rewrite his brain into being the version of Scott she wanted to be with

[davetvs]

Relationships can evolve and change, but it has to make sense. Rogue is actually a perfect example of that. She didn't just become everyone's BFF out of the blue, she had to earn it. Emma's crimes were much worse than Rogue's to begin with, and one of the first things she did after joining the team is seducing her teammate's husband. Not to mention all the shady and outright villainous stuff she's been doing since then.

And? The point is there have already been moments between Emma/Ororo and Emma/Kitty that establish their relationships have grown. Yes, Emma has done terrible things, but again, she has been an official member of the team for years at this point...and on Krakoa they're running around with the likes of Magneto, Mystique, Apocalypse, etc. etc.