Your Unpopular/Controversial Opinions on the X-Universe

[Havok83]

From End of Greys



Rachel refers to her grandmother's sister's husband as her uncle. That would be her great-uncle by marriage. It makes ALOT more sense that Liam and Roger are also her great-uncles via being her grandparent's siblings, NOT Jean

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The narration is a bit confusing but I believe it means Julia bonded with Jean's big sister. Brian and Julia took custody of the kids after Sara died which makes more sense if they were a married couple, not uncle and niece

What I can deduce is Liam, Roger and Brian are Jean's uncles and Julia is Brian's wife, making her an aunt by marriage

[yogaflame]

Exactly. It’s supposed to be shocking and it’s really just torture porn.

That's basically what I feel about Rachel in general. Maybe she hit a stride in Excalibur for a little bit there, but her stories are almost entirely that.

[lurkerforyears]

That's basically what I feel about Rachel in general. Maybe she hit a stride in Excalibur for a little bit there, but her stories are almost entirely that.

I liked Rachel in space, the Vulcan story

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I would remove Rachel from the X-Men, make her a cosmic hero, send her to space, give her permanently a tiny bit of the Phoenix, allow her to fly through space unaided. She could join the Guardians of the Galaxy or something like that.

[yogaflame]

Yuck, with that Shi'Ar Phoenix-sword guy? lol, nah. I didn't like any of that Deadly Genesis nonsense, or Vulcan in particular. That arc had some slick art, for sure, but beyond that? Not my cup of tea.

Rachel flying around as Phoenix in space would be fine, but I just don't have a real interest in cosmic stories for the most part.

[Valamist]

Speaking of Havok, he is a character who I have understood the popularity for. Granted, I was first introduced to him via his infamous Avenger speech & kinda being unsure about Northstars wedding, but even then I have not really seen anything that makes me think of him as more then a bland character.

[lurkerforyears]

Speaking of Havok, he is a character who I have understood the popularity for. Granted, I was first introduced to him via his infamous Avenger speech & kinda being unsure about Northstars wedding, but even then I have not really seen anything that makes me think of him as more then a bland character.

I agree.
The fact that his greatest personality trait is his inferiority complex towards Cyclops, helped make him a good villain in Age of Apocalypse.

[Omega Alpha]

I agree.
The fact that his greatest personality trait is his inferiority complex towards Cyclops, helped make him a good villain in Age of Apocalypse.

The problem is that the writers keep insisting on focusing on that trait alone, and the writers that like him the most seem to like him not in spite of, but BECAUSE of it.

[9th.]

Speaking of Havok, he is a character who I have understood the popularity for. Granted, I was first introduced to him via his infamous Avenger speech & kinda being unsure about Northstars wedding, but even then I have not really seen anything that makes me think of him as more then a bland character.

I'm pretty much in the same boat, I love his character design though.

[Silver Fang]

One of mine is a new one from UXM 22 lol

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When Jott share a kiss, Emma watches them in the background while clearly being distraught. I am not invested in the triangle enough to hate Emma. But I could never get behind Scemma because of how it started & the crapping on Jean that took place to sail the ship. Then to make it even harder to support, Emma is very callous with Jean. She feels entitled to her love story, daring to be offended that Jean found it to be a nightmare when it ruined her marriage. Then she smirks & was smug about it after Jean found out, even bragging about being a sex therapist to her. So I think seeing Jott kiss, and being told by Nemesis that her relationship with him is dead is quite the poetic justice. Now she can be on the end of loving a man & seeing him go off with another woman.

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I hate all her other character assassination this run. But I am amused at the ending.

But I think it's very controversial as there are some posters that get angered at a few of us who enjoyed that ending & felt that way.

Loved Emma in GenX. But Morrison didn't do her or Scott any justice, imo.

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And while the eye for an eye thing is nice, Scott still shouldn't be getting off so easy either since the affair took two.

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[Killerbee911]

One of mine is a new one from UXM 22 lol

spoilers:

When Jott share a kiss, Emma watches them in the background while clearly being distraught. I am not invested in the triangle enough to hate Emma. But I could never get behind Scemma because of how it started & the crapping on Jean that took place to sail the ship. Then to make it even harder to support, Emma is very callous with Jean. She feels entitled to her love story, daring to be offended that Jean found it to be a nightmare when it ruined her marriage. Then she smirks & was smug about it after Jean found out, even bragging about being a sex therapist to her. So I think seeing Jott kiss, and being told by Nemesis that her relationship with him is dead is quite the poetic justice. Now she can be on the end of loving a man & seeing him go off with another woman.

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I hate all her other character assassination this run. But I am amused at the ending.

But I think it's very controversial as there are some posters that get angered at a few of us who enjoyed that ending & felt that way.

Loved Emma in GenX. But Morrison didn't do her or Scott any justice, imo.

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And while the eye for an eye thing is nice, Scott still shouldn't be getting off so easy either since the affair took two.

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That is hilarious. The Mods are going to have their work cut for them for the next couple days

[salarta]

I think Polaris connections with Magneto and Havok are actually good and a nice part of her character. They can be problematic but on the X-men and on Marvel in general very few things aren't complicated, I don't think it is fair to blame those relationships for all her problems.

I don't think Lorna's relationship with Magneto is a problem. She hasn't done enough with him in any real sense yet. I still want to see her do more with him, and I think there's plenty of room for missteps to be rectified (as Bunn did starting around Blue #15) when they happen.

The blame for Lorna's problems isn't in the men, but in how she's treated by Marvel. The only reason Havok arises as an issue is because Marvel has treated Lorna poorly around him for decades, and done it as recently as 2018 (or right this second, if you count things like Marvel Tales). That history means editors and writers are more likely to succumb to repeating those mistakes, either because it's "what they know," or because they have godawful nostalgia and fanboy sentiments for her being treated that way.

Contrast this with Malice, or Sabretooth, or Storm. Lorna was treated poorly around them in the past as well, but there weren't a lot of those moments, and they happened decades ago. How old they are and how few times they happened mean writers today are more likely to treat Lorna well around those characters; and if they don't get it right at first, it'll be easier to course correct.

Marvel mistreating Lorna hasn't been limited to Havok. It would be false to say he is the cause of all her problems, because the real causes are much bigger than any one character. However, he has been the primary instrument of Marvel's mistreatment of the character. And he's benefited from it greatly, while Lorna keeps having everything important about her stripped away in the process. Just as it can't be said that all the blame rests on Havok, it also can't be said that zero blame rests on him. It would be like saying that people who benefit from and take advantage of housing discrimination don't play a role in how it hurts those discriminated against, especially if the same two people have the same outcome repeat for them over and over for decades. The character can't be blamed for the whims of editors/writers, but he's still their chosen representative. There's a reason they keep using him this way.

In short, the reason you see me opposed to Havok having anything to do with Lorna is because there's a much higher and thoroughly proven risk of Lorna getting treated poorly around him. The only cure as I see it is for Marvel to spend a lot of time on Lorna without him. The longer Marvel fails to do this, the more they validate my views. Both about the need to keep Havok away from Lorna, and about how bad Marvel is.


I don't mean for this post to dissuade similar posts as the one I'm replying to. I'm not trying to argue, or attack. Only share where I'm coming from.

[KangMiRae]

Here’s my new controversial opinion!

I hope Hickman rekindles—no—explodes open the Emma/Scott/Jean love triangle again. Full force! Mwahahaha! DRAMA!

[CRaymond]

This is tangent fodder, but one thing I think the X-Men need is more old people.

I'd love for X-Men to have some legit middle-aged dad bods and/or grandma shaped heroines among their advisory "guy in the chair" team segments. I realize the nature of puberty mutations means the rosters and cast skew toward children and young adults but there have to be mutants who've lived in the closet or underground or had their mutations forcibly removed. There have to be mutants of Xavier's generation with less notoriety and heroism. If X-Men are supposed to be an analogy for the LGBT experience, give me the Vanessa Redgrave from Walls Could Talk 2.

[Ambaryerno]

This is tangent fodder, but one thing I think the X-Men need is more old people.

Try getting that past JDW. He doesn't even want characters in their 40s. :-P

[CRaymond]

Try getting that past JDW. He doesn't even want characters in their 40s. :-P

Maybe fogeys on strike teams wouldn't work, but I always thought of Domino was a Linda Hamilton type.