Your Unpopular/Controversial Opinions on the X-Universe

[Outburstz]

Mr. Sinister could have infiltrated Krakoa under a false identity, or he could have brainwashed some other mutant to do his dirty work for him. Or maybe Xavier could have allied with him in secret without telling the X-Men or Magneto.

The problem isn't with Mr. Sinister being there, the problem is with Magneto, the X-Men and the Morlocks not going mad about Mr. Sinister being there.

Hell, Mr. Sinister could have shapeshifted into Beast, he could have hypnotized himself into believing that he really was Beast to avoid detection by telepaths... and done, you have Mr. Sinister doing evil stuff while disguised as Hank. You could even have him in the Quiet Council under Beast's identity. That would be an interesting plot.

Also... why did Xavier and Magneto need to ally with Mr. Sinister so badly, if Mr. Sinister had not even started to gather mutant DNA samples when they contacted him? They could have just killed Sinister, had reduced Bar Sinister to cinders, and to have created a secret team tasked with gathering the DNA samples ... because, as I said, at that point Sinister hadn't started to do it, so they could as well have done it themselves rather than allying with him.

You can not kill Sinister because there isn't just one Sinister. The real Mr Sinister is dead this is a clone with mutant DNA. He has many clones of himself hidden everywhere. It's no different than Dr Doom with his Doombots.

Sinister has so many clone factories laying around just look at Hellions book. You guys keep trying to theory craft a way for Sinister to not be around but it is silly.

No one trust Sinister no one likes Sinister no one is Sinister's friend. Heck even while on the island he just keeping Psylocke's child away just to use her. It was a deal with the devil showing the lengths that mutants are willing to go to for mutants. No body knows DNA like him and they know it.

All of your guys story ideas are just a waste of paper for a simple reason of "ooo Sinister bad" like no body knows that better than the mutants.

[Alan2099]

You can not kill Sinister because there isn't just one Sinister. The real Mr Sinister is dead this is a clone with mutant DNA. He has many clones of himself hidden everywhere. It's no different than Dr Doom with his Doombots.

You know what happens when heroes find out a Doombot is behind something? They destroy it.

It might not take care of Doom but it means "Doom" isn't around at the moment and his current plan is foiled.

All of your guys story ideas are just a waste of paper for a simple reason of "ooo Sinister bad" like no body knows that better than the mutants.

Better than "ooo. Sinister bad. Let's not do anything about it whatsoever."

I don't know how long you've been reading the X-titles, but there was a time the X-men actually fought villains, and if they beat a villain and it came back later, they'd beat it again.

[Outburstz]

You know what happens when heroes find out a Doombot is behind something? They destroy it.

It might not take care of Doom but it means "Doom" isn't around at the moment and his current plan is foiled.


Better than "ooo. Sinister bad. Let's not do anything about it whatsoever."

I don't know how long you've been reading the X-titles, but there was a time the X-men actually fought villains, and if they beat a villain and it came back later, they'd beat it again.

Congratulation you flew right into the point. Krakoa is not a super hero team it is a nation for mutants. It is for the the benefit of mutants to be immortal and not die. So they made a deal with a bad guy in order to personally benefit mutant kind.

Nations make these deals all the time. They weighed the benefit of mutants being brought back to life vs a down the road Sinister betrayal.

[marhawkman]

And this is exactly why,m when written in character, the people SHOULDN'T trust Sinister and should take ever opportunity possible to get rid of the guy.

Because when you have Mr. Sinister, he's going to act like Mr. Sinister, and do Mr. Sinister things.

Yes, even if he's harder to kill than a cockroach... people should still try.

[sunofdarkchild]

Krakoa is a true post-scarcity society, much like Star Trek in the TNG era. Everything from food to shelter to medicine literally grows on trees and after the initial negotiation with the living island there is little to no need to put any work into these things. But that doesn't change the fact that people have an inherent need to feel like they're contributing something, like they matter beyond what they consume. By its nature, Krakoa picks the top people to fill specific niches and fields. Forge, Sage, Prodigy, Cypher, Trinary, these are people whose powers are tailor made to benefit society rather than for battle or for something random. They are better choices for the roles their powers push them towards than someone who got PHDs to do the same thing. But this leaves the majority of mutants out in the lurch. Many professions are eliminated entirely, and someone who might be very good at math or hacking by real-world standards can't compete with Prodigy or Trinary for those same positions. An elite is created of those whose powers are inherently useful to Krakoa and those who can be specialized for combat and defense. The rest of Krakoa has nothing to contribute and nothing to do but party. That is a recipe for depression on a massive scale and societal malaise. New Mutants very rightly pointed this out and has a few characters attempting to address this problem. Even when there's no need to work to put bread on the table, there is a need to feel like you are contributing something and not just consuming.

[Rev9]

Congratulation you flew right into the point. Krakoa is not a super hero team it is a nation for mutants. It is for the the benefit of mutants to be immortal and not die. So they made a deal with a bad guy in order to personally benefit mutant kind.

Nations make these deals all the time. They weighed the benefit of mutants being brought back to life vs a down the road Sinister betrayal.

Middle ground is the best option ,yes they needed him, yes now they have a nation of immortal mutants, but what is a civilization if not learning and incrementally improving? Right now we should be seeing Xavier and Magneto working with Beast/Dr.Nemesis to create redundancy, create back up gene samples, to lay the groundwork for getting rid of Sinister.Sure he may go down swinging, with a few surprises that will set Krakoa back a bit but preparing to be reliant on themselves is a very key move and so far Krakoa looks like they are not prepared for that eventuality, which is weird with Sinister's proclivity for betrayal.

[Proxy]

Krakoa is a true post-scarcity society, much like Star Trek in the TNG era. Everything from food to shelter to medicine literally grows on trees and after the initial negotiation with the living island there is little to no need to put any work into these things. But that doesn't change the fact that people have an inherent need to feel like they're contributing something, like they matter beyond what they consume. By its nature, Krakoa picks the top people to fill specific niches and fields. Forge, Sage, Prodigy, Cypher, Trinary, these are people whose powers are tailor made to benefit society rather than for battle or for something random. They are better choices for the roles their powers push them towards than someone who got PHDs to do the same thing. But this leaves the majority of mutants out in the lurch. Many professions are eliminated entirely, and someone who might be very good at math or hacking by real-world standards can't compete with Prodigy or Trinary for those same positions. An elite is created of those whose powers are inherently useful to Krakoa and those who can be specialized for combat and defense. The rest of Krakoa has nothing to contribute and nothing to do but party. That is a recipe for depression on a massive scale and societal malaise. New Mutants very rightly pointed this out and has a few characters attempting to address this problem. Even when there's no need to work to put bread on the table, there is a need to feel like you are contributing something and not just consuming.

I think Way of X was trying to address this too, although I found the delivery to be very clunky. That everyone has value (dying for kicks disrespects your value as a person) and Mutants now have an opportunity to explore who they are or wish to be in this new world. But without guidance, mutants who cannot conventionally tribute or ‘be useful’ to their nation have been left lost.

[Zelena]

Nations make these deals all the time. They weighed the benefit of mutants being brought back to life vs a down the road Sinister betrayal.

Nations make these deals all the time but the X-men are not a nation. They used to react with their heart and didn’t condone easily difficult decisions…

[Omega Alpha]

Krakoa is a true post-scarcity society, much like Star Trek in the TNG era. Everything from food to shelter to medicine literally grows on trees and after the initial negotiation with the living island there is little to no need to put any work into these things. But that doesn't change the fact that people have an inherent need to feel like they're contributing something, like they matter beyond what they consume. By its nature, Krakoa picks the top people to fill specific niches and fields. Forge, Sage, Prodigy, Cypher, Trinary, these are people whose powers are tailor made to benefit society rather than for battle or for something random. They are better choices for the roles their powers push them towards than someone who got PHDs to do the same thing. But this leaves the majority of mutants out in the lurch. Many professions are eliminated entirely, and someone who might be very good at math or hacking by real-world standards can't compete with Prodigy or Trinary for those same positions. An elite is created of those whose powers are inherently useful to Krakoa and those who can be specialized for combat and defense. The rest of Krakoa has nothing to contribute and nothing to do but party. That is a recipe for depression on a massive scale and societal malaise. New Mutants very rightly pointed this out and has a few characters attempting to address this problem. Even when there's no need to work to put bread on the table, there is a need to feel like you are contributing something and not just consuming.

While this is indeed something that could and should be explored, this is somewhat mitigated with the portals, since even if you aren't that useful in Krakoa. you can always do your thing elsewhere.

Nations make these deals all the time but the X-men are not a nation. They used to react with their heart and didn’t condone easily difficult decisions…

And that resulted in multiple genocides and defeat after defeat after defeat.

[Lox]

This is a really wild concept. I'm interested to see how this defines the era in the distant future when we inevitably return to formula. People all have their favorite X-man - if they aren't playing a major role, how will this era be viewed? How will people who love Doug feel after he's stepped down from an objectively important role back to his defenseless one-trick schtick?
I think there's a lot of space to tell cool stories with these mutants who contribute nothing major to society yet - but if they are forgotten until the series gets soft-rebooted again, the seeds of indifference are being planted as we speak. I worry about all the younger mutants in the Akademos habitat. If they age (even slightly) and aren't given a chance to prove themselves to the senior X-folk, will we witness the birth of a new generation of evil mutants once the paradise collapses?

[jwatson]

It's weird that people think of a safe place as paradise. As though there aren't several factions outside krakoa trying to destroy it now, or mutants being held captive and experimented on in their home countries. I don't get the idea of a safe spot in a world that is still gunning for you being a paradise. And that is not even touching on all the internal conflicts people are saying should exist within this "paradise" or the conflicts that currently exist. Interesting.

[Sutekh]

Krakoa is a true post-scarcity society, much like Star Trek in the TNG era. Everything from food to shelter to medicine literally grows on trees and after the initial negotiation with the living island there is little to no need to put any work into these things. But that doesn't change the fact that people have an inherent need to feel like they're contributing something, like they matter beyond what they consume. By its nature, Krakoa picks the top people to fill specific niches and fields. Forge, Sage, Prodigy, Cypher, Trinary, these are people whose powers are tailor made to benefit society rather than for battle or for something random. They are better choices for the roles their powers push them towards than someone who got PHDs to do the same thing. But this leaves the majority of mutants out in the lurch. Many professions are eliminated entirely, and someone who might be very good at math or hacking by real-world standards can't compete with Prodigy or Trinary for those same positions. An elite is created of those whose powers are inherently useful to Krakoa and those who can be specialized for combat and defense. The rest of Krakoa has nothing to contribute and nothing to do but party. That is a recipe for depression on a massive scale and societal malaise. New Mutants very rightly pointed this out and has a few characters attempting to address this problem. Even when there's no need to work to put bread on the table, there is a need to feel like you are contributing something and not just consuming.

Very interesting stuff, and I agree with Proxy's next post that mentioned that Way of X seemed like it was primed to explore at least some of this, and then, pfft, not so much.

At least touching on the nuts and bolts behind the 'endless party,' the 'lesser telepaths' in charge of eductation (Fixx? Tangerine? Mentat?), or the various others doing stuff like social organizing or coordinating defense or running training sessions or welcoming new arrivals and finding them accomodations and stuff to do, etc. could have gone a long way to making Krakoa feel like a real place, and not just an exotic Savage Land-like painting in the background.

City streets in New York look like real places, when Spider-Man swings by. People are going places, buying hot dogs from vendors, walking their dogs, etc. On Krakoa, people are kind of idly standing around, sometimes with drinks in their hands, sometimes canoodling, but there's nowhere to go and nothing to do except take advantage of not having any sort of drinking age or public decency laws.

Eventually even the saltiest sea-dog reaches the part of shore leave when he's had too much of both and needs to stagger back to the ship.

[jwatson]

I mean thinking about it further if krakoa is considered a paradise than wouldn't Latervia, Atlantis, Attilean, Wakanda, etc etc also be paradises. They are safe places for their people in theory. It's like just because one exists in peoples mind they are erasing the other like nations have no conflict.

[Sutekh]

I mean thinking about it further if krakoa is considered a paradise than wouldn't Latervia, Atlantis, Attilean, Wakanda, etc etc also be paradises. They are safe places for their people in theory. It's like just because one exists in peoples mind they are erasing the other like nations have no conflict.

Do any of those places have free food, housing and healthcare, no jobs and 24/7 no-age-restricted drinking and sex parties on a tropical island?

'Cause I don't think so, so 'paradise' sounds pretty far from some of them (particularly Latveria, which sounds hella oppressive, or even Atlantis, which gets bombed into rubble every couple of years when Namor is in or out of favor).

If safety was all that was required of 'paradise,' they could go hang out in Limbo, guarded by Ilyanna's demons, and be safe as houses (or on Lila Cheney's Dyson sphere, or in Shiar space with Sam and 'Berto, or, or, or), but it wouldn't feel as much like a *literal* paradise as Krakoa does.

Paradise is more than safety. (And Krakoa ain't all that safe...) It's also fruity drinks and swimwear and a life of leisure.

[jwatson]

Do any of those places have free food, housing and healthcare, no jobs and 24/7 no-age-restricted drinking and sex parties on a tropical island?

'Cause I don't think so, so 'paradise' sounds pretty far from some of them (particularly Latveria, which sounds hella oppressive, or even Atlantis, which gets bombed into rubble every couple of years when Namor is in or out of favor).

If safety was all that was required of 'paradise,' they could go hang out in Limbo, guarded by Ilyanna's demons, and be safe as houses (or on Lila Cheney's Dyson sphere, or in Shiar space with Sam and 'Berto, or, or, or), but it wouldn't feel as much like a *literal* paradise as Krakoa does.

Paradise is more than safety. (And Krakoa ain't all that safe...) It's also fruity drinks and swimwear and a life of leisure.

Who dictates what is and isn't though? Whose to say someone who never worked isn't experiencing something harsher than those who have. Does "having" automatically equal a form of paradise? That to me sounds like a mental construct to separate.