Your Unpopular/Controversial Opinions on the X-Universe

[Killerbee911]

Magneto and Namor have no business being super-heroes

A. I am going to quote myself

The X-men franchise is famous for pulling these bad guys or unlikable characters and over time they change and you grow to like them

It is not a character fault that writers have different opinions of what they should be and Marvel never reboots to clean inconsistencies

B. X-men are not super heroes much in the same way Lamar Jackson and Micheal Vick aren't "QBs" yeah they play the postion but what they do great isn't what you consider a QB to do. Yes the X-men are in the superhero genre and times in past act like Superheroes do in comics in most case X-men are the paramilitary arm of Xavier or Mutantkind. The X-men are more freedom fighters or a rebellion or movement than a group of heroes. Avengers and Justice League are out to save the world, The X-men are out save Mutants and since mutants live in the world there is a benefit to saving the world.

What you are saying about Magneto and Namor would have merit except over and over the world in Marvel treats mutants like they are Magneto for just being mutants. So very often mutants are force into position of being "bad guys" and when you are viewed bad guys already people who have done questionable things fit right in.

The X-men are superheroes? Okay name one supervillian that they regularly fight isn't another mutant, for sake this discussion alien or magic threat don't count. Heck I will help out with this Wiki list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_X-Men_enemies

Yup that right Kang, Thanos, Ultron, Red Skull, Dr. Doom, Annihilus, Loki, Mandarin , Modok, Aim, Hand, Hydra, Baron Zemo, etc The X-men don't have one classic story where they fight against regular non mutant related threat that isn't related to mutant issue.

So another another Unpopular opinion The X-men aren't really superheroes and it is one of the big reason Cyclops, Jean Grey, Nightcrawler, Storm and some of the other popular X-men do not do good in solos.

[sunofdarkchild]

Marvel has been doing the 'turn villains into heroes' schtick since the beginning. The second batch of Avengers introduced in issue 16 were all reformed villains, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, and Scarlett Witch. Black Widow was a villain, Vision was created as a villain to destroy the Avengers. Wonder Man started out as a villain. Joining the Avengers is the ultimate 'get out of jail free card' in the Marvel Universe. You can get away with pretty much anything if you say you've 'reformed' and join the club.

The difference with the X-Men is that since they are outcasts themselves, they can't afford to be as picky about who they work with and joining the X-Men does not grant the same wider benefits joining the Avengers does. When it comes to Magneto, perhaps the central conflict of the entire narrative is the clash of ideologies between him and Xavier, so him turning away from his villainy is the ultimate victory for the X-Men.

[Zelena]

The difference with the X-Men is that since they are outcasts themselves, they can't afford to be as picky about who they work with and joining the X-Men does not grant the same wider benefits joining the Avengers does. When it comes to Magneto, perhaps the central conflict of the entire narrative is the clash of ideologies between him and Xavier, so him turning away from his villainy is the ultimate victory for the X-Men.

The other difference with the X-men is that sometimes these reformed villains become villains again because the current author preferk them this way like Magneto or Emma before another author makes them reformed villains again.

It’s like a carousel… to the point it’s hard to say who are these characters anymore.

So I am adamant: everyone is right and everyone is wrong.

[Agent Z]

"Fans" Lurkers should actually read comics. Psylocke was not a original member because she wore a yellow and blue costume for a while during the Jim Lee ninja days. She was not a member before Nightcrawler and Wolverine because she is older. There is no conspiracy. And British Betsy did exist. She did want to be the lioness and not the prim and proper English woman and she wanted to be a warrior. Persistent arrogance can get even murderous. Leave that tumblr nonsense at the door. Believe it or not this has become controversial. It hurts because I love Psylocke/Kwannon.

What exactly are you talking about? What conspiracy? What tumblr nonsense?

[Steel Inquisitor]

A. I am going to quote myself


It is not a character fault that writers have different opinions of what they should be and Marvel never reboots to clean inconsistencies

They don't grow, they regress and the writers want us to ignore what they did so they can be friends with the X-men whenever that is. Characters rely on writers, without the writers they don't do anything. This helps my argument that they shouldn't be X-men.

B. X-men are not super heroes much in the same way Lamar Jackson and Micheal Vick aren't "QBs" yeah they play the postion but what they do great isn't what you consider a QB to do. Yes the X-men are in the superhero genre and times in past act like Superheroes do in comics in most case X-men are the paramilitary arm of Xavier or Mutantkind. The X-men are more freedom fighters or a rebellion or movement than a group of heroes. Avengers and Justice League are out to save the world, The X-men are out save Mutants and since mutants live in the world there is a benefit to saving the world.

They're really bad at this and it by continuously letting monsters on it who continually harm mutants, but at least magneto has the curtesy to do that on his own time in the Brotherhood, Emma does it as an X-man. They're so bad at helping mutant kind their own members perpetuate the conflict and harm their own kind and get rewarded for it. Being a paramilitary arm isn't a good excuse for having Emma on the team, all that shows is that they've got the worst standards in the genre with membership, or in government since they're a nation now. How many of the Quiet Council have participated in a genocide?

What you are saying about Magneto and Namor would have merit except over and over the world in Marvel treats mutants like they are Magneto for just being mutants. So very often mutants are force into position of being "bad guys" and when you are viewed bad guys already people who have done questionable things fit right in.

That mutants are oppressed don't give those characters a reason to be monsters, in fact it could be argued Magneto made it worse by being a terrorist. Magneto has no right killing people just because mutants like Beak are being attacked for being a mutant. Magneto is not Beak, he makes his own decisions. Why is the "bad guys" in quotes? The crimes these mutants have done include slavery, genocide, mass murder, brainwashing, and torture. Again their own kind, directly and indirectly. You do know Magneto was made to be a morality tale of a mutant who becomes a monster? Questionable things, under statement of the year. Emma was into sex slavery in the Hellfire Club and mass mind control when she governed New Tien. Naturally both are glossed over in the comics.They can retcon Beast into being Dark beast, Emma being a monster is just her being herself.

The X-men are superheroes? Okay name one supervillian that they regularly fight isn't another mutant, for sake this discussion alien or magic threat don't count. Heck I will help out with this Wiki list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_X-Men_enemies

Yup that right Kang, Thanos, Ultron, Red Skull, Dr. Doom, Annihilus, Loki, Mandarin , Modok, Aim, Hand, Hydra, Baron Zemo, etc The X-men don't have one classic story where they fight against regular non mutant related threat that isn't related to mutant issue.

So another another Unpopular opinion The X-men aren't really superheroes and it is one of the big reason Cyclops, Jean Grey, Nightcrawler, Storm and some of the other popular X-men do not do good in solos.

Super-heroes have their niches, mutants are the X-men's. Of course the non-mutant enemies count, every super-hero has villains like that. Arcade doesn't stop existing because he undermines your argument. Just like game radiated mutants are the Hulks, and animal themed criminals are Spider-man's. Why would them not being super-hero have anything to do with them not being popular solo?

[ETMike1988]

OFF topics, but where is the annual forum voting about the X-Titles!?

[sunofdarkchild]

The other difference with the X-men is that sometimes these reformed villains become villains again because the current author preferk them this way like Magneto or Emma before another author makes them reformed villains again.

It’s like a carousel… to the point it’s hard to say who are these characters anymore.

So I am adamant: everyone is right and everyone is wrong.

There are reformed Avengers who go back to villainy too. Moondragon was a villain then a hero then turned villain again and killed half the Defenders. Vision had an arc where he turned into a villain again and tried to take over the world, which unusually actually had lasting consequences. Wanda has all her craziness. Then there are the times people like Dr. Doom or Sandman get let on the team for a story or an arc before going back to what they do. Namor was a respected member of the Avengers

One thing I'll say about Emma is that I don't believe she's ever been made into a villain again since the first time she was let into the Xavier school, with the exception of the time she had part of the Phoenix force. She's skirted the line between anti-hero and anti-villain and done some horrible things, but she's been an X-Man through and through the whole time.

[Agent Z]

Marvel has been doing the 'turn villains into heroes' schtick since the beginning. The second batch of Avengers introduced in issue 16 were all reformed villains, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, and Scarlett Witch. Black Widow was a villain, Vision was created as a villain to destroy the Avengers. Wonder Man started out as a villain. Joining the Avengers is the ultimate 'get out of jail free card' in the Marvel Universe. You can get away with pretty much anything if you say you've 'reformed' and join the club.

Most of these guys were consistent in staying heroes. The villains the X-Men recruit change from allies to antagonists at the drop of a hat.

The difference with the X-Men is that since they are outcasts themselves, they can't afford to be as picky about who they work with and joining the X-Men does not grant the same wider benefits joining the Avengers does. When it comes to Magneto, perhaps the central conflict of the entire narrative is the clash of ideologies between him and Xavier, so him turning away from his villainy is the ultimate victory for the X-Men.

The X-Men can absolutely afford not to invite genocidaires, slavers, rapists and terrorists into their ranks. Being an outcast doesn't mean lacking in standards. Storm almost quit the team when Xavier recruited Rogue and Rogue's biggest victim wasn't even any of the X-Men.

[Agent Z]

There are reformed Avengers who go back to villainy too. Moondragon was a villain then a hero then turned villain again and killed half the Defenders. Vision had an arc where he turned into a villain again and tried to take over the world, which unusually actually had lasting consequences. Wanda has all her craziness. Then there are the times people like Dr. Doom or Sandman get let on the team for a story or an arc before going back to what they do. Namor was a respected member of the Avengers

One thing I'll say about Emma is that I don't believe she's ever been made into a villain again since the first time she was let into the Xavier school, with the exception of the time she had part of the Phoenix force. She's skirted the line between anti-hero and anti-villain and done some horrible things, but she's been an X-Man through and through the whole time.

She was a villain again (albeit a designated one) in Inhumans vs X-Men.

[Kingdom X]

The X-Men can absolutely afford not to invite genocidaires, slavers, rapists and terrorists into their ranks. Being an outcast doesn't mean lacking in standards. Storm almost quit the team when Xavier recruited Rogue and Rogue's biggest victim wasn't even any of the X-Men.

Very good point, and if I remember correctly Emma did receive pushback when she initially started acting “good”. I think we needed similar scenes with the villainous QC members besides mild annoyance at Sinister’s antics. The only one who reacted appropriately to Apocalypse getting a government position was Gambit and Tini wrote him as if he was just being a nuisance.

[Killerbee911]

Why would them not being super-hero have anything to do with them not being popular solo?

Because superheroes run to save the day, But X-men see Civil War happening a fight were they are need and the X-men go "Nah you guys have good luck with that". The X-men don't care about crime on their block and they aren't trying to save everyone.Cyclops running the street trying to stop muggers feels weird as hell.

The X-men are "superheroes" who fan understand they really aren't superheroes. Because X-men have that overall mentality of mutants first them doing things that don't serve that interest feels weird. The only X-men that work in solos is characters who have had jobs or skills outside of the X-men. Wolverine, X-23, Domino, Cable are mercenaries , Gambit is a thief, Bishop is Cop. So in writing stories for them their job is primary focus, Superhero thing is secondary. When ever they have write about a character who hasn't live a life outside of X-men the like the O-5 or New Mutants it tends not work but because people don't buy idea of X-men running around fighting crime. Since it is hard write believable as X-men as primary superheroes solo books tend not to work. Because again Storm randomly running chasing villains after years not give crap doesn't seem authentic to fans.

X-men aren't superheroes the best comparison I can think about they are Mutant Antifa or Black Panthers.

[Havok83]

Frenzy's a cult favorite here? That's news to me. I don't see much discussion about her.

Consider yourself informed then. She gets alot of love and support whenever she is brought up and she's one of the character that is consistently brought up when it comes to people wanting to see on a lineup

So She is a basically female Wolverine. The X-men franchise is famous for pulling these bad guys or unlikable characters and over time they change and you grow to like them, That is formula for Rogue,Wolverine, Gambit, White Queen, Magneto, Namor and couple of others. I don't think you are wrong with this opinion except I don't think you are valuing conflict and personality clash enough. You need a-holes to contrast your white knights. One of the bigger problem with X-men franchise at times is that everyone gets along and has the same style of being hero.

On small related note Gambit, Cable and lesser degree Wolverine became worse characters when you take away their flaws and explain out their back stories. Gambit is better as womanizing ,chain smoking thief with a mysterious background who is bit of cocky bastard. So I guess the unpopular opinion is We don't need to backstory of some characters,unless you have a killer amazing story just leave the backstory alone, We didn't need to know Wolverine past and real name, We didn't need to know Gambit secret, We don't need to know Rogue's real name,etc. I can't think anything that being James Howlett has actually help for Wolverine.

but she's not. Wolverine is likeable and I can point to alot of redeeming qualities. Frenzy has none. She's closer to a Sabretooth than it comes to Logan

[baxer]

Really compare rogue, Quicksilver, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch to emma? they were bad because they were raised or doutrined via torture to be like that.
Emma choose to be bad and never apologized. Completely different from them

[Havok83]

Really compare rogue, Quicksilver, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch to emma? they were bad because they were raised or doutrined via torture to be like that.
Emma choose to be bad and never apologized. Completely different from them

dont say never

[baxer]

dont say never

Gen X Emma was a better character, at least one time.