Your Unpopular/Controversial Opinions on the X-Universe

[pkingdom]

Anyone who has been reading the titles can tell you that this is actually not the case.

The only mutant who has faced consequences was Sabretooth, and he wasn't even the worst person in that room. Solicits for the Wolverine series make it look like it won't stick anyway.

[Ambaryerno]

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Most importantly because so far they haven't been given a reason not to.

How about the fact IT'S SINISTER AND APOCALYPSE? That's reason enough.

This entire status quo is hamfistedly railroaded.

[Tycon]

The only mutant who has faced consequences was Sabretooth, and he wasn't even the worst person in that room. Solicits for the Wolverine series make it look like it won't stick anyway.

He’s faced consequences because he ignored explicit instruction, post-amnesty.

[Kisinith]

How about the fact IT'S SINISTER AND APOCALYPSE? That's reason enough.

This entire status quo is hamfistedly railroaded.

No, they don't trust Sinister or Apocalypse, they trust Xavier and to a lesser extent Magneto.
It's that the monumental plusses outweigh the negatives.
It's that, so far, the villains are playing nice. (Obviously its not going to last and we've seen that many of the X-Men don't trust the villains)
The X-Men, more than just about any other franchise in comics has been about rehabilitating its enemies and working with them in the face of greater challenges/rewards. This isn't new it goes all the way back to Papa Claremont rehabilitating Rogue and Magneto and forging a working relationship with the hellfire club in the 80's.

[KangMiRae]

Honestly, this sums up the ENTIRE KRAKOA SITUATION and why I think it's just a stupid development. I mean just WHY are they working with Apocalypse and Sinister? Ugh!

Villains turned good is the lamest trope and I hate it every time. It works for some, but other times it's just lame because you know they're going to be reverted back to being villains by editorial mandate. Waste of time.

[Ambaryerno]

No, they don't trust Sinister or Apocalypse, they trust Xavier and to a lesser extent Magneto.
It's that the monumental plusses outweigh the negatives.
It's that, so far, the villains are playing nice. (Obviously its not going to last and we've seen that many of the X-Men don't trust the villains)
The X-Men, more than just about any other franchise in comics has been about rehabilitating its enemies and working with them in the face of greater challenges/rewards. This isn't new it goes all the way back to Papa Claremont rehabilitating Rogue and Magneto and forging a working relationship with the hellfire club in the 80's.

I'm sorry, but Rogue and Magneto are on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum and are NOT a legit comparison. Rogue was misguided thanks to Mystique's manipulations (speaking of...) and as Magneto's character was developed further after his initial appearance his motivations were ultimately sympathetic even if his methods (and occasionally his goals. His stance on coexistence seems to waffle) were not.

However Sinister and Apocalypse (excluding Evan, obviously) have NEVER been sympathetic. They've ALWAYS been monsters. There are NO plusses to collaborating with them.

It's a flat-out STUPID plot point. Period.

Villains turned good is the lamest trope and I hate it every time. It works for some, but other times it's just lame because you know they're going to be reverted back to being villains by editorial mandate. Waste of time.

As I noted above, it's certainly situational. Characters like Rogue, Magneto, and Emma can work because of the context of their villainy, usually because they're characters who are either well-intentioned (such as Magneto) from the start, or at the very least EARN their redemption (as in the case of Rogue, who spent quite a while earning the trust of the other X-Men). But some barring and even allowing for some EXTREMELY extenuating circumstances are just ridiculous.

[Kisinith]

I'm sorry, but Rogue and Magneto are on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum and are NOT a legit comparison. Rogue was misguided thanks to Mystique's manipulations (speaking of...) and as Magneto's character was developed further after his initial appearance his motivations were ultimately sympathetic even if his methods (and occasionally his goals. His stance on coexistence seems to waffle) were not.

However Sinister and Apocalypse (excluding Evan, obviously) have NEVER been sympathetic. They've ALWAYS been monsters. There are NO plusses to collaborating with them.

It's a flat-out STUPID plot point. Period.



As I noted above, it's certainly situational. Characters like Rogue, Magneto, and Emma can work because of the context of their villainy, usually because they're characters who are either well-intentioned (such as Magneto) from the start, or at the very least EARN their redemption (as in the case of Rogue, who spent quite a while earning the trust of the other X-Men). But some barring and even allowing for some EXTREMELY extenuating circumstances are just ridiculous.

Except that they haven't turned good, they have a more pressing common foe at the moment. Bringing them in means not fighting them while you also deal with humans. Bringing Sinister in gives you the ability to resurrect 16 million dead mutants. Its already being teased about the private agendas of Shaw, Sinister, Mystique, Apocalypse and Sinister so its not like they are reformed. Bringing them in also gives you a measure of control over their actions, ie: Kill no Man.

The question isn't why would they accept Apocalypse and Sinister, its what would the X-Men tolerate to end genocidal human on mutant violence and take their people off the endangered species list... and bring back a few dead students while their at it. The answer... is quite a lot.

[scourge]

Do they really need Sinister though? They just need the DNA he had stored. Once they have that, there's no real reason to keep Mr. Chronic Backstabbing Syndrome around.

[pkingdom]

Except that they haven't turned good, they have a more pressing common foe at the moment. Bringing them in means not fighting them while you also deal with humans. Bringing Sinister in gives you the ability to resurrect 16 million dead mutants. Its already being teased about the private agendas of Shaw, Sinister, Mystique, Apocalypse and Sinister so its not like they are reformed. Bringing them in also gives you a measure of control over their actions, ie: Kill no Man.

The question isn't why would they accept Apocalypse and Sinister, its what would the X-Men tolerate to end genocidal human on mutant violence and take their people off the endangered species list... and bring back a few dead students while their at it. The answer... is quite a lot.

That they haven't reformed kind of makes it worse? They were mostly brought in because they are useful, with Sinister with his DNA stores and Apocalypse for his might. But being 'useful' to you is a terrible moral justification for ignoring their crimes. As for the resurrections, why don't they just steal the info from Sinister? Or ditch him now that they have it? Why let give orders and make bargains with mutants like Kwannon? The resurrections are a complicated matter and a lot of fans don't like them, and they might be a terrible idea in-story. But that would be better suited to a different topic

[scourge]

I don't trust most of the writers with the resurrections. Sure we might get people back (and even if we do, what's the chance they get out of Wallpaper Land anyway. Looking at you, Synch and Skin), but I have the worst feeling that we'll get a writer or two that uses it as an excuse to just kill off people frequently with 'oh they'll be back real fast' for pointless drama or worse stupid gore.

[Tycon]

Do they really need Sinister though? They just need the DNA he had stored. Once they have that, there's no real reason to keep Mr. Chronic Backstabbing Syndrome around.

Well mutants don’t just stop being born so they need their DNA preserved.

[Ambaryerno]

I don't trust most of the writers with the resurrections. Sure we might get people back (and even if we do, what's the chance they get out of Wallpaper Land anyway. Looking at you, Synch and Skin), but I have the worst feeling that we'll get a writer or two that uses it as an excuse to just kill off people frequently with 'oh they'll be back real fast' for pointless drama or worse stupid gore.

Speaking of stupid plot points. Comic book death is already empty and meaningless as it is.

[Havok83]

Do they really need Sinister though? They just need the DNA he had stored. Once they have that, there's no real reason to keep Mr. Chronic Backstabbing Syndrome around.

They dont have the DNA. Sinister has the DNA database and he manages that. He leverages it in order for the resurrections to occur. Its likely highly encrypted and would be too much of a setback for the other characters to decode where they to kill him and try to access it on their own. He's playing along so for now, there's no reason to strike against him

Well mutants don’t just stop being born so they need their DNA preserved.

Any new mutant that is born, the X-men can preserve on their own. Sinister's main purpose is his database of dead mutants which the X-men have no way of recovering without him

[Ambaryerno]

They dont have the DNA. Sinister has the DNA database and he manages that. He leverages it in order for the resurrections to occur. Its likely highly encrypted and would be too much of a setback for the other characters to decode where they to kill him and try to access it on their own. He's playing along so for now, there's no reason to strike against him

I swear to God y'all would be defending the Avengers teaming up with @#$%ing Red Skull.

[scourge]

Speaking of stupid plot points. Comic book death is already empty and meaningless as it is.

It really is. Though less because of people coming back and more because writers use death way too often and so very poorly its painful.