Your Unpopular/Controversial Opinions on the X-Universe

[Wiccan]

As I understand it, he's got an obsession with the fact that Jean has psionic powers that ramp up exponentially without limit, if paired with the right power source (like the Phoenix Force), and Scott has a permanent portal to a dimension of unlimited infinite free energy (the 'punch' dimension). He wants a kid who has both of those things, a power that scales to unlimited degree with the right powersource *and* an unlimited powersource. All the power.

He's a bit more obsessed with Scott than Jean though.

[Sutekh]

He's a bit more obsessed with Scott than Jean though.

Tis true. He's known Scott longer, it seems, having groomed him since childhood (and being more specifically the childhood boogeyman of Scott, from the orphanage, not Jean). And he seems perfectly willing to settle for a clone of Jean, with Madelyne, but has shown no real inclination for settling for a clone of Scott.

It could delve into all sorts of creepy territory, and, thankfully, has not, since that's not an association we really need.

[Havok83]

As I understand it, he's got an obsession with the fact that Jean has psionic powers that ramp up exponentially without limit, if paired with the right power source (like the Phoenix Force), and Scott has a permanent portal to a dimension of unlimited infinite free energy (the 'punch' dimension). He wants a kid who has both of those things, a power that scales to unlimited degree with the right powersource *and* an unlimited powersource. All the power.

The punch dimension isnt someting thats ever been mentioned in canon with Scott in the books and definitely not in relation with Sinister. Its definitely not a thing with any of the Jean/Scott offspring. Sinister was originally obsessed with the Summer/Grey genetics bc he needed a powerful mutant to defeat Apocaylpse and his research indicated that the combination of Jean and Scott would accomplish that. I think that motive was lost a long time ago and his obsession is purely personal now

Tis true. He's known Scott longer, it seems, having groomed him since childhood (and being more specifically the childhood boogeyman of Scott, from the orphanage, not Jean). And he seems perfectly willing to settle for a clone of Jean, with Madelyne, but has shown no real inclination for settling for a clone of Scott.

It could delve into all sorts of creepy territory, and, thankfully, has not, since that's not an association we really need.

He's cloned Scott. We saw an imperfect clone in Extraordinary X-men. The reason why Madelyne existed is bc Jean died and she was backup plan to execute his plan to get a genetic offspring. It wouldnt have made sense to repeat this in the two times that Scott died bc that the baby was already born and its not really a scheme you can do more than once to the same couple

[Hellion]

Does Mad Scientist have to be something more than Mad Scientist? Last 10 years he has become entertainingly flamboyant mad scientist. World Conquerors gonna conquer, Mad Scientist gonna mad science. I am not sure what you are looking for exactly. Sinister shows up does mad science and be entertaining and then disappear what more are your really looking for him do?

It's subjective, I know. When I think "mad scientist" I think of Dark Beast or maybe even Doctor Nemesis. The characterization of Sinister in the comics I've read just makes him seem insane for the sake of being insane. Sorta like Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor. I just can't get into characters like that.

[Sutekh]

It's subjective, I know. When I think "mad scientist" I think of Dark Beast or maybe even Doctor Nemesis. The characterization of Sinister in the comics I've read just makes him seem insane for the sake of being insane. Sorta like Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor. I just can't get into characters like that.

It seems like Sinister had a goal to make himself a powered body and live forever (and deal with anyone, like Apocalypse that threatens that 'live forever' goal), and now that he's accomplished that, he's turned into Dr. Frankenfurter, mostly farting around being decadent and enjoying the results of his success.

He's kinda gotten away with it and now gets to sit back and watch the reality TV that is everybody else's drama.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Tis true. He's known Scott longer, it seems, having groomed him since childhood (and being more specifically the childhood boogeyman of Scott, from the orphanage, not Jean). And he seems perfectly willing to settle for a clone of Jean, with Madelyne, but has shown no real inclination for settling for a clone of Scott.

It could delve into all sorts of creepy territory, and, thankfully, has not, since that's not an association we really need.

I don't know, maybe people need to reminded what a creeper Sinister has been with Scott since he was a teenager. He's responsible for destroying Scott's happiness both as a kid and an adult. He made Madelyn Pryor, for instance.

[Ra-El]

Tis true. He's known Scott longer, it seems, having groomed him since childhood (and being more specifically the childhood boogeyman of Scott, from the orphanage, not Jean). And he seems perfectly willing to settle for a clone of Jean, with Madelyne, but has shown no real inclination for settling for a clone of Scott.

It could delve into all sorts of creepy territory, and, thankfully, has not, since that's not an association we really need.

Well, I hope Cyclops didn't had a girlfriend in the orphanage, because almost everyone there was a Sinister clone... Just think about it.

[Sutekh]

I don't know, maybe people need to reminded what a creeper Sinister has been with Scott since he was a teenager. He's responsible for destroying Scott's happiness both as a kid and an adult. He made Madelyn Pryor, for instance.

I don't mind reminding people that he's a creep, but even hinting at sexualizing the abusive past, while the current Sinister is tending towards flamboyant camp, runs the risk of pointing an arrow between gay and pedo, which is not an association that's needed as it feeds into hateful stereotypes that are pretty much the gay equivalent of blood libel.

[Steel Inquisitor]

I don't mind reminding people that he's a creep, but even hinting at sexualizing the abusive past, while the current Sinister is tending towards flamboyant camp, runs the risk of pointing an arrow between gay and pedo, which is not an association that's needed as it feeds into hateful stereotypes that are pretty much the gay equivalent of blood libel.

True, it's just frustrating that people see him as like saviour rather than the dangerous monster that he is. Gay or straight. Frankly, coding Sinister as gay by itself does this since it makes one of the highest profile Quiet Council leaders a dangerous psychopath, it's far worse than Mystique since she at least has depth and isn't an evil caricature.

[SiegePerilous02]

True, it's just frustrating that people see him as like saviour rather than the dangerous monster that he is. Gay or straight. Frankly, coding Sinister as gay by itself does this since it makes one of the highest profile Quiet Council leaders a dangerous psychopath, it's far worse than Mystique since she at least has depth and isn't an evil caricature.

Literally nobody sees him as that. He's a useful monster to the X-Men in-universe and the narrative is signaling that the other shoe is going to drop with him.
Fandom just finds him entertaining but still knows he's an awful person/villains, just one that can hold our attention for once.

[Will Evans]

Let’s all just be thankful that Jack Winters got to Cyclops before Sinister recaptured him back to the orphanage.

Jack is the REAL hero here.

[Odd Rödney]

I actually preferred Sinister when he was less flamboyant and more ... sinister. I've also never really cared for Sinister having tons of clones of himself.

Agreed on both points! I once heard that Claremont's original idea of Mr. Sinister was supposed to be some mutant psychic kid's imaginary friend or something. I really like that idea so much more than the campy Sinister and his endless clones.

[Cane_danko]

Grant morrison’s run is by far the worst xmen run. His writing is pretentious and his characters are bland. I’ve tried my hardest to get into it but man... it just sucks.

[Alan2099]

Grant morrison’s run is by far the worst xmen run. His writing is pretentious and his characters are bland. I’ve tried my hardest to get into it but man... it just sucks.

The X-men books still haven't recovered from how badly Grant screwed them up.

[Havok83]

The X-men books still haven't recovered from how badly Grant screwed them up.

IMO the books are much better now than before he took over. We are in a new golden age of X-men books and the last time thy were this enjoyable as a whole was arguably the mid 90s