Your Unpopular/Controversial Opinions on the X-Universe

[Outburstz]

I'm not seeing a difference.

Then there isn't much I can do for you

[Zelena]

There is a difference between the effects of Krakoa and Krakoa/mutant culture.

effects of Krakoa would include some kids killing themselves for fun, lots of down time, being able to travel where ever you want, free food

Mutant culture would be things like the Crucible, battle marks, language, Clothes, mutant magic, mutant music

One is a byproduct the other is a deliberate creation of customs

Time only tells the difference: some things are kept at all costs as a part of an identity, other things are discarded without a second thought.

It’s a bit annoying when the state or someone says: “This is culture.”

[marhawkman]

Time only tells the difference: some things are kept at all costs as a part of an identity, other things are discarded without a second thought.

It’s a bit annoying when the state or someone says: “This is culture.”

It happens IRL a lot. children tend to bastardize the culture their parents taught them. Thy keep the parts they like, and ditch the rest. Which over time results in cultural evolution.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

I'm not seeing a difference.

There's a difference because they say so.

[TheRay]

I think the Weapon Plus program could be Marvel's answer to the Suicide Squad, or even, have heroes/villains voluntarily work with them.

[marhawkman]

I think the Weapon Plus program could be Marvel's answer to the Suicide Squad, or even, have heroes/villains voluntarily work with them.

Yeah, it's weird... the IDEA of the group works, but.... they've been used for way too much evil... despite being the origin of more than one hero.

[TheRay]

I mean I like what’s been done with it too, I just think it can go further.

[Grunty]

I think the Weapon Plus program could be Marvel's answer to the Suicide Squad, or even, have heroes/villains voluntarily work with them.

I'd like to disagree here.

Mainly because i fail to see enough thematic overlap between the two, beyond the usage of prisoners for shady government interests.

The basic concept of the Suicide Squad is that of a super hero themed penal military unit, with a name that implies a high risk/low survival rate mission parameter. Basicly The Dirty Dozen with super villains to name another popular example.

It's a platform to tell ongoing stories and to progress or explore character.

Because the Suicide Squad stories are primarily about the characters involved, allowing super villains to be more explored than they could be as pure antagonist, which when done right can either humanize them without downplaying their capacity for evil or downright reinforce why they are villains with no excuse.

The basic concepts of the Weapon Plus programm meanwhile is, as the name implies, about creating human beings as living super weapons, which can both involve modifying allready existing people (Captain America, Weapon X) or creating them from scratch.

However it's not a platform to tell ongoing stories, but an antagonistic force which primarily serves to explain where heros and villains got super powers or modifications from.
A monster factory, which keeps spawning offshots and successors like a genie that can't be put back into the bottle anymore, not a singular team or system in which villains can be forced to perform dirty deeds for the government (even Team X was more a testing system to find candidates than a penal squad).

It's telling that the programms from which the different "Weapons" originate tend to have allready failed or been destroyed by the time their "results" start showing up. Because their main purpose is to provide an origin for characters, not being the reason they are currently doing missions (unless they are against a Weapon Plus programm).

And in all of this Marvel allready had a few Suicide Squad counterparts which were much closer thematically. X-men's own Freedom Force which actualy predates the modern usage of the Suicide Squad name by DC by two years (Uncanny X-men #199 in 1985 vs. Legends #3 in 1987) and the Thunderbolts in some incarnations come to mind.

So overall, i doubt it would make much sense to force the Weapon Plus Programm into a narrative role, which it was never meant to be used, especialy when viable alternatives allready exist.

[Wolverine12]

I think the Weapon Plus program could be Marvel's answer to the Suicide Squad, or even, have heroes/villains voluntarily work with them.

I'd like to disagree here.

Mainly because i fail to see enough thematic overlap between the two, beyond the usage of prisoners for shady government interests.

The basic concept of the Suicide Squad is that of a super hero themed penal military unit, with a name that implies a high risk/low survival rate mission parameter. Basicly The Dirty Dozen with super villains to name another popular example.

It's a platform to tell ongoing stories and to progress or explore character.

Because the Suicide Squad stories are primarily about the characters involved, allowing super villains to be more explored than they could be as pure antagonist, which when done right can either humanize them without downplaying their capacity for evil or downright reinforce why they are villains with no excuse.

The basic concepts of the Weapon Plus programm meanwhile is, as the name implies, about creating human beings as living super weapons, which can both involve modifying allready existing people (Captain America, Weapon X) or creating them from scratch.

However it's not a platform to tell ongoing stories, but an antagonistic force which primarily serves to explain where heros and villains got super powers or modifications from.
A monster factory, which keeps spawning offshots and successors like a genie that can't be put back into the bottle anymore, not a singular team or system in which villains can be forced to perform dirty deeds for the government (even Team X was more a testing system to find candidates than a penal squad).

It's telling that the programms from which the different "Weapons" originate tend to have allready failed or been destroyed by the time their "results" start showing up. Because their main purpose is to provide an origin for characters, not being the reason they are currently doing missions (unless they are against a Weapon Plus programm).

And in all of this Marvel allready had a few Suicide Squad counterparts which were much closer thematically. X-men's own Freedom Force which actualy predates the modern usage of the Suicide Squad name by DC by two years (Uncanny X-men #199 in 1985 vs. Legends #3 in 1987) and the Thunderbolts in some incarnations come to mind.

So overall, i doubt it would make much sense to force the Weapon Plus Programm into a narrative role, which it was never meant to be used, especialy when viable alternatives allready exist.

It’s been done before. There was a series called Weapon X and it featured Sabertooth, Sauron, Wolverine, Cable and Deadpool. They did missions and all that. It was pretty good from what I remember. Tieri wrote it.

[kevinism]

I'd like to disagree here.

Mainly because i fail to see enough thematic overlap between the two, beyond the usage of prisoners for shady government interests.

The basic concept of the Suicide Squad is that of a super hero themed penal military unit, with a name that implies a high risk/low survival rate mission parameter. Basicly The Dirty Dozen with super villains to name another popular example.

It's a platform to tell ongoing stories and to progress or explore character.

Because the Suicide Squad stories are primarily about the characters involved, allowing super villains to be more explored than they could be as pure antagonist, which when done right can either humanize them without downplaying their capacity for evil or downright reinforce why they are villains with no excuse.

The basic concepts of the Weapon Plus programm meanwhile is, as the name implies, about creating human beings as living super weapons, which can both involve modifying allready existing people (Captain America, Weapon X) or creating them from scratch.

However it's not a platform to tell ongoing stories, but an antagonistic force which primarily serves to explain where heros and villains got super powers or modifications from.
A monster factory, which keeps spawning offshots and successors like a genie that can't be put back into the bottle anymore, not a singular team or system in which villains can be forced to perform dirty deeds for the government (even Team X was more a testing system to find candidates than a penal squad).

It's telling that the programms from which the different "Weapons" originate tend to have allready failed or been destroyed by the time their "results" start showing up. Because their main purpose is to provide an origin for characters, not being the reason they are currently doing missions (unless they are against a Weapon Plus programm).

And in all of this Marvel allready had a few Suicide Squad counterparts which were much closer thematically. X-men's own Freedom Force which actualy predates the modern usage of the Suicide Squad name by DC by two years (Uncanny X-men #199 in 1985 vs. Legends #3 in 1987) and the Thunderbolts in some incarnations come to mind.

So overall, i doubt it would make much sense to force the Weapon Plus Programm into a narrative role, which it was never meant to be used, especialy when viable alternatives allready exist.

Dare we say, the eXpendables?

[Wolverine12]

Dare we say, the eXpendables?

We dare indeed.

[marhawkman]

Funny thing is that there's a LOT of Mutants you could put into an eXpendables team.

[Nicoclaws]

Don't we already have the Hellions ? Maybe replaced by the Pit team ?

[marhawkman]

Don't we already have the Hellions ? Maybe replaced by the Pit team ?

Yeah, with as many X-characters as there are, you could do several teams like that.

[jwatson]

I'm about to commit apparent blasphemy but i'm loyal to a good writer and ride or die. When i say i read 85% of Xmen stuff i only read like 20% of morrison stuff and i didn't read whedon stuff until after it finished. I was one of the undesirables, YES, i was one of the ones who followed Claremont's runs and didn't consider him the "side" writer during the Morrison and Whedon years, his book was the main line to me because it was the book that i would go to buy and got the quality i was looking for. Random unpopular opinion confession.

I did try it though, Morrison run in particular was not for me. Some standout issues but hey, i consider it what everyone expects to win an oscar with.